Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-24 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
Hi, On 22.06.2013 09:55, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, Am 20.06.2013 um 17:09 schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann : Hi, On 06.06.2013 13:54, Yuzhen Fan wrote: Hi All, Here is the list of identified candidates[1]/[2] which are proposed to be 4.0.0 release blockers. Please indicate your sele

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-22 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
Hi, Am 20.06.2013 um 17:09 schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann : > Hi, > > On 06.06.2013 13:54, Yuzhen Fan wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> Here is the list of identified candidates[1]/[2] which are proposed to >> be 4.0.0 release blockers. Please indicate your selections for release >> blockers by giving 1

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-21 Thread Sub Phil
>IMHO there are no bad ideas here. They are just mistimed ;-) It would be mad to change the bug policy now, but for the future it might have an impact. 2013/6/21 Rob Weir > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Sub Phil wrote: > > Bug policy debate and so on.. > > > > Well, just sharing experienc

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-21 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Sub Phil wrote: > Bug policy debate and so on.. > > Well, just sharing experience from as a past developper and notorious bug > fighter. > > There is no other point in creating a database of bugs and not treating > them, than to have an ultra-complicated list of k

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-21 Thread Sub Phil
Bug policy debate and so on.. Well, just sharing experience from as a past developper and notorious bug fighter. There is no other point in creating a database of bugs and not treating them, than to have an ultra-complicated list of known issues (so complex that users report are duplicated) and f

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-21 Thread Andre Fischer
On 21.06.2013 13:42, Edwin Sharp wrote: Dear Andre This is exactly the problem! When you grab a bug from the top and critical bugs continuously enter the list - The minor bugs at the bottom will never get attention. You make that sound like it where a bad thing. A bug is critical because it affe

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-21 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Edwin Sharp wrote: > Yes. > please allow to share the following objections: > 1. in general, bugs shouldn't be rated > 2. most are crashes - "release blocker" can be other than crash - i.e. copy > chart from Calc into Writer results in chart area without curve. th

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-21 Thread Edwin Sharp
Dear Andre This is exactly the problem! When you grab a bug from the top and critical bugs continuously enter the list - The minor bugs at the bottom will never get attention. On Fri, Jun 21, 2013, at 14:24, Andre Fischer wrote: > > > All good ideas. > > I would like to add another one. I a

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-21 Thread Andre Fischer
On 21.06.2013 13:09, Sub Phil wrote: Regarding "classification" of bugs (critical, etc.) and bug fixing. The core question is how to increase the throughput of bug fixing, i.e. increase the number of fixes? If one analyse bug reporting process & fixing, it is usually done as 1/ User report bug

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-21 Thread Andre Fischer
On 21.06.2013 12:39, Edwin Sharp wrote: My meaning is, respecting current users of OpenOffice who reported bugs and see those bugs not resolved while new features (sidebar) are being introduced. I think they deserve at least an explanation how introducing new features is more important from fix

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-21 Thread Sub Phil
Regarding "classification" of bugs (critical, etc.) and bug fixing. The core question is how to increase the throughput of bug fixing, i.e. increase the number of fixes? If one analyse bug reporting process & fixing, it is usually done as 1/ User report bug 2/ Tester try to reproduce it, then 2.1

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-21 Thread Edwin Sharp
My meaning is, respecting current users of OpenOffice who reported bugs and see those bugs not resolved while new features (sidebar) are being introduced. I think they deserve at least an explanation how introducing new features is more important from fixing bugs that bothers them (after all, the

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-21 Thread Andre Fischer
On 21.06.2013 08:57, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 6/20/13 8:01 PM, Edwin Sharp wrote: Yes. please allow to share the following objections: 1. in general, bugs shouldn't be rated I disagree here and you always rate issues starting with setting a priority. And as always you can't fix them all with a

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-21 Thread Edwin Sharp
Thank you for this feedback. On Fri, Jun 21, 2013, at 9:57, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 6/20/13 8:01 PM, Edwin Sharp wrote: > > Yes. > > please allow to share the following objections: > > 1. in general, bugs shouldn't be rated > > I disagree here and you always rate issues starting with setting

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-21 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
Hi, On 21.06.2013 08:57, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 6/20/13 8:01 PM, Edwin Sharp wrote: Yes. please allow to share the following objections: 1. in general, bugs shouldn't be rated I disagree here and you always rate issues starting with setting a priority. And as always you can't fix them all w

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-20 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 6/20/13 8:01 PM, Edwin Sharp wrote: > Yes. > please allow to share the following objections: > 1. in general, bugs shouldn't be rated I disagree here and you always rate issues starting with setting a priority. And as always you can't fix them all with a fix number of developers. It simply doe

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-20 Thread Edwin Sharp
Yes. please allow to share the following objections: 1. in general, bugs shouldn't be rated 2. most are crashes - "release blocker" can be other than crash - i.e. copy chart from Calc into Writer results in chart area without curve. this is a huge bug that doesn't involve a crash 3. with all the

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-20 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
Hi, On 06.06.2013 13:54, Yuzhen Fan wrote: Hi All, Here is the list of identified candidates[1]/[2] which are proposed to be 4.0.0 release blockers. Please indicate your selections for release blockers by giving 1 vote to 1 bug (the vote field is beside the importance field, in a bug form). We

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-07 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 10:34 AM, I. Park wrote: > Hello Rob, > > O.k., I'm not too sure if your "incorrectly marked CONFIRMED" topic > mentioned below has to do with Bugzilla, but I noticed on couple > occasions that when filling out new bugs the CONFIRMED is set by > default. I had to go back a

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-07 Thread I. Park
Hello Rob, O.k., I'm not too sure if your "incorrectly marked CONFIRMED" topic mentioned below has to do with Bugzilla, but I noticed on couple occasions that when filling out new bugs the CONFIRMED is set by default. I had to go back a few times and change it to UNCONFIRMED. Just my two-cents.

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-06 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 6/6/13 1:54 PM, Yuzhen Fan wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> Here is the list of identified candidates[1]/[2] which are proposed to >> be 4.0.0 release blockers. Please indicate your selections for release >> blockers by giving 1 vote to 1 bug (the

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-06 Thread Edwin Sharp
Yes. As long as we don't waste time implementing kindergarten user interfaces and worrying about compatibility to propriety file formats. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013, at 18:45, Peter Junge wrote: > That implies all bugs will get fixed if their priority is above low? ---

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-06 Thread Peter Junge
That implies all bugs will get fixed if their priority is above low? On 6/6/2013 11:32 PM, Edwin Sharp wrote: Don't be naive. A bug with a low priority will never get fixed. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013, at 16:20, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 6/6/13 2:13 PM, Edwin Sharp wrote: you are correct but I belie

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-06 Thread Edwin Sharp
Don't be naive. A bug with a low priority will never get fixed. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013, at 16:20, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 6/6/13 2:13 PM, Edwin Sharp wrote: > > > you are correct but I believe it is intended to get a priority list. We > have long list of bugs and that can't be fixed all. We alway

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-06 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 6/6/13 2:13 PM, Edwin Sharp wrote: > I can understand voting for a new logo. > > But voting for bugs? > > A bug is a bug and needs to be fixed. you are correct but I believe it is intended to get a priority list. We have long list of bugs and that can't be fixed all. We always get new bugs an

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-06 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 6/6/13 1:54 PM, Yuzhen Fan wrote: > Hi All, > > Here is the list of identified candidates[1]/[2] which are proposed to > be 4.0.0 release blockers. Please indicate your selections for release > blockers by giving 1 vote to 1 bug (the vote field is beside the > importance field, in a bug form).

Re: Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-06 Thread Edwin Sharp
I can understand voting for a new logo. But voting for bugs? A bug is a bug and needs to be fixed. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013, at 14:54, Yuzhen Fan wrote: Hi All, Here is the list of identified candidates[1]/[2] which are proposed to be 4.0.0 release blockers. Please indicate your selections for re

Triage for AOO 4.0.0 Release Blockers

2013-06-06 Thread Yuzhen Fan
Hi All, Here is the list of identified candidates[1]/[2] which are proposed to be 4.0.0 release blockers. Please indicate your selections for release blockers by giving 1 vote to 1 bug (the vote field is beside the importance field, in a bug form). We hope to get the vote score this week, any bugs