Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-07-01 Thread alfeng
On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 21:19:53 -0500 Phoebus Dokos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > At 12:20 ðì 2/7/2001 +0100, you wrote: > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >writes > > > >>> >> "The exception proves the rule" > >>I'm sorry to say that the immediately above is spurious and > r

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-07-01 Thread alfeng
Of course, academics have been known to be mistaken in their application of _evidence_ which they are presenting while trying to bolster (I was going to say "prove") their pet hypothesis. For example: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1413000/1413326.stm On Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:20

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-07-01 Thread Phoebus Dokos
At 12:20 ðì 2/7/2001 +0100, you wrote: >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >writes > >>> >> "The exception proves the rule" >>I'm sorry to say that the immediately above is spurious and requires >>comment: > >An interesting new take on the subject. I got my information from my >En

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-07-01 Thread Q Branch
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes >> >> "The exception proves the rule" >I'm sorry to say that the immediately above is spurious and requires >comment: An interesting new take on the subject. I got my information from my English lecturer at college who extensively studie

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-07-01 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 08:05:40PM -0700, Timothy Swenson wrote: > At 01:12 PM 6/28/2001 -0400, Nasta wrote: > > >Let me give you an example. Suppose someone implemented SCSI on the Q40. > >Then, you could connect an IDE and a SCSI hard disc to it. Boh would use > >the QWA file system, but here i

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-07-01 Thread alfeng
On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 00:20:40 +0100 Q Branch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thierry > Godefroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >On Jeudi 28 Juin 2001 23:42, Tony Firshman wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 28 Jun 2001 at 21:16:18, you wrote: > >> > >> >"C'est l'exception qui conf

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-07-01 Thread Timothy Swenson
At 01:12 PM 6/28/2001 -0400, Nasta wrote: >Let me give you an example. Suppose someone implemented SCSI on the Q40. >Then, you could connect an IDE and a SCSI hard disc to it. Boh would use >the QWA file system, but here is the problem: each device would have it's >own copy of the QWA handling co

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-07-01 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 06:06:17AM +0100, Dave Walker wrote: > > My DiscOVER can already read CD's if it can get direct sector access (it > can also handle DOS format hard disks if the same can be done). > Unfortunately it appears that none of the current emulators give this level > of access to

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-30 Thread Robert Newson
It's amazing the crap I write when I'm tired. Thinking it through I realised it was crap, re-editied it down, saw it was still crap and intended to bin it, but hit the wrong button and sent it before logging out. Sorry.

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-30 Thread Thierry Godefroy
On Vendredi 29 Juin 2001 22:49, Robert Newson wrote: > > > Don't invoke LOGIC here, as I see no logic in your proposal: they are > > > DIFFERENT devices (one SCSI and one IDE) on DIFFERENT hardware... Even > > > UNIX uses DIFFERENT device names for SCSI and IDE ! > > But Unix DOESN'T have to! It

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-30 Thread ZN
On 6/29/01 at 7:59 PM Thierry Godefroy wrote: On 6/28/01 at 11:14 AM Thierry Godefroy wrote: [lots snipped] >I have nothing against arguments (in the "debate" acceptation of the term, >not in the "dispute" one of course)... actually, as many french people, I >like to argue about anything ! ;-)

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-30 Thread ZN
On 6/29/01 at 9:49 PM Robert Newson wrote: >What's wrong with using a parallel port to access a storage device? Or >is this based on the misconception that parallel port = printer [output] >port (as that's for which they're generally used [by most PC users] and >only that "driver" is installed)?

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-30 Thread Q Branch
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thierry Godefroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >On Jeudi 28 Juin 2001 23:42, Tony Firshman wrote: > >> On Thu, 28 Jun 2001 at 21:16:18, you wrote: >> >> >"C'est l'exception qui confirme la règle" >> > >> > >> >(which I will risk to try to translate into: "This is the

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-29 Thread Robert Newson
> [meta-devices] > > > NO! Channels are meant to exchange DATA, NOT to send COMMANDS or > > PARAMETERS to a piece of hardware ! (of course, you could argue > > that "commands" and "parameters" are just some form of "data", > > but you won't, will you ? ;-) This reminds me of how the Apple ][ di

RE: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-29 Thread Phoebus Dokos
At 10:21 ðì 29/6/2001 -0700, you wrote: >At 08:38 AM 6/29/2001 +0100, Norman wrote: >>Just to take off at a tangent, how about an open source (type) project to >>build a new Operating System for ALL the QLs/compatibles/emulators out thare >>to use. > >An interesting idea, Norman. There are some p

RE: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-29 Thread Timothy Swenson
At 08:38 AM 6/29/2001 +0100, Norman wrote: >Just to take off at a tangent, how about an open source (type) project to >build a new Operating System for ALL the QLs/compatibles/emulators out thare >to use. An interesting idea, Norman. There are some pluses and some minuses: + Good way to exp

RE: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-29 Thread Ian . Pine
ad, but...well. cheers, Ian. -Original Message----- From: ndunbar Sent: 29 June 2001 08:38 To: ql-users Cc: ndunbar Subject: RE: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers OK this thread is way over my head, but I'm reading it - I might even learn something. Just to take off at a tangen

RE: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-29 Thread Norman Dunbar
OK this thread is way over my head, but I'm reading it - I might even learn something. Just to take off at a tangent, how about an open source (type) project to build a new Operating System for ALL the QLs/compatibles/emulators out thare to use. Same hardware, same everything - if at all possib

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-28 Thread ZN
On 6/28/01 at 11:14 AM Thierry Godefroy wrote: [lots snipped] OK, this is supposed to be a discussion, not an argument, so let me make some things clear right here. Thierry, I am not arguing 'my' approach over yours. We are really on the same side here and arguing serves no purpose. If nothing e

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-28 Thread Phoebus Dokos
At 12:37 ðì 29/6/2001 +0200, you wrote: >On Jeudi 28 Juin 2001 23:42, Tony Firshman wrote: > > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2001 at 21:16:18, you wrote: > > > > >"C'est l'exception qui confirme la règle" > > > > > > > > >(which I will risk to try to translate into: "This is the exception > > >which confirms

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-28 Thread Thierry Godefroy
On Jeudi 28 Juin 2001 23:42, Tony Firshman wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jun 2001 at 21:16:18, you wrote: > > >"C'est l'exception qui confirme la règle" > > > > > >(which I will risk to try to translate into: "This is the exception > >which confirms the rule") > > "The exception proves the rule" I knew i

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-28 Thread Tony Firshman
On Thu, 28 Jun 2001 at 21:16:18, you wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >Well, we should ask Tony then... But my guess is that FORMAT was >"accidentally" put in TRAP #2 calls. As we say in France: > >"C'est l'exception qui confirme la règle" > >(which I will risk to try to translate into: "This

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-28 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Thierry Godefroy wrote: > JOCHEN PLEASE READ THIS ! * As far as I know he doesn't read the list at the moment. Marcel

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-28 Thread ZN
On 6/28/01 at 11:14 AM Thierry Godefroy wrote: [long filenames support via "special" device driver and thing] >> Well, I am glad to have been proven wrong on this. Briliant idea! >> I wonder if a more complete spec could be made for such 'registration' >> mechanisms as they could be useful for o

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-28 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 10:13:41PM -0400, ZN wrote: > >> Well, I hate to be a party breaker, but guess what: all standard CD file > >> systems have a deeper directory structure and/or longer names than the > QL > >> is capable of handling with it's 36 character path+name limit. > > > Wrong! ISO96

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-28 Thread Thierry Godefroy
On Jeudi 28 Juin 2001 04:13, ZN wrote: [long filenames support via "special" device driver and thing] > Well, I am glad to have been proven wrong on this. Briliant idea! > I wonder if a more complete spec could be made for such 'registration' > mechanisms as they could be useful for other parts o

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-27 Thread Timothy Swenson
At 10:13 PM 6/27/2001 -0400, Nasta wrote: >SCSI is another related example. A SCSI host adapter does nothing of >itself, but may have many different devices connected to it, that all >require treatment by essentially different drivers. Just to expand on what Nasta said, different drivers (such as

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-27 Thread ZN
>> Well, I hate to be a party breaker, but guess what: all standard CD file >> systems have a deeper directory structure and/or longer names than the QL >> is capable of handling with it's 36 character path+name limit. > Wrong! ISO9660 is limited to 32 chars in filenames (path name included) > an

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-27 Thread Q Branch
IAn Interesting discussion this and some very good points raised by all. I see, as usual that Thierry has his finger firmly on the pulse here and is way ahead of most of us. When we discussed CD drivers at Eindhoven last weekend we were suggesting that it be ported to the Qubide and that a new

RE: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-27 Thread Norman Dunbar
[ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-27 Thread Thierry Godefroy
On Mercredi 27 Juin 2001 05:30, Timothy Swenson wrote: > I think the discussion about what format the CD driver should support > is a mute point. Thierry will implement what he can/wants to implement. > We really can only offer suggestions. I will not have enough time to implement all I want to

RE: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-26 Thread Norman Dunbar
-Original Message- From: Dave Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 6:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers >> I would be more than happy to make the DiscOVER sources available Nice one Dave, I'd like

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers

2001-06-26 Thread Dave Walker
- Original Message - From: "ZN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 5:35 AM Subject: [ql-users] Re: Q40/Q60 device drivers > Richard Zidlicky wrote: > > > Well, I hate to be a party breaker, but guess what: all standard CD file > systems have a dee