Re: [ntp:questions] Rejecting Good Peers

2008-12-03 Thread Maarten Wiltink
Cal Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] I haven't restarted the servers yet in case I need to query some more info. Do you think this could be a contributing factor in this problem? If you haven't restarted the machines, that's okay. You never have to,

Re: [ntp:questions] Rejecting Good Peers

2008-12-03 Thread Calvin Webster
Thank you for the links. I always try to use the documentation before soliciting help but it's frustrating when I can't find information on a topic that everyone seems to know about. On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 02:18 +, Harlan Stenn wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cal

Re: [ntp:questions] Rejecting Good Peers

2008-12-03 Thread Calvin Webster
On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 02:25 +, Steve Kostecke wrote: On 2008-12-03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That still doesn't make sense to me. A peer is objecting to his peer using a fellow peer as a candidate? Why then does this behavior only present itself on the version 4.2.4

Re: [ntp:questions] Rejecting Good Peers

2008-12-03 Thread Calvin Webster
On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 02:34 +, Steve Kostecke wrote: On 2008-12-02, Cal Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 21:29 +, Steve Kostecke wrote: Orphan Mode was introduced in version 4.2.2 It sure would be nice if there were more documentation about Orphan

Re: [ntp:questions] Rejecting Good Peers

2008-12-03 Thread Calvin Webster
On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 09:08 +0100, Maarten Wiltink wrote: Cal Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] I haven't restarted the servers yet in case I need to query some more info. Do you think this could be a contributing factor in this problem? If you

Re: [ntp:questions] Rejecting Good Peers

2008-12-03 Thread Steve Kostecke
Calvin Webster said: On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 02:25 +, Steve Kostecke wrote: On 2008-12-03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That still doesn't make sense to me. A peer is objecting to his peer using a fellow peer as a candidate? Why then does this behavior only present itself

Re: [ntp:questions] Rejecting Good Peers

2008-12-03 Thread Cal Webster
On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 09:46 -0500, Steve Kostecke wrote: Calvin Webster said: On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 02:25 +, Steve Kostecke wrote: On 2008-12-03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That still doesn't make sense to me. A peer is objecting to his peer using a fellow peer

Re: [ntp:questions] Rejecting Good Peers

2008-12-03 Thread Steve Kostecke
Cal Webster said: Please explain what a peer loop is or point me to the doc page that explains it. I don't see the disadvantage of having common peers. peers unfortunately has multiple meanings. The remote time servers that an ntpd is synced to are often refered to as peers. But these ntpds

Re: [ntp:questions] Rejecting Good Peers

2008-12-03 Thread Cal Webster
On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 11:09 -0500, Steve Kostecke wrote: Cal Webster said: Please explain what a peer loop is or point me to the doc page that explains it. I don't see the disadvantage of having common peers. peers unfortunately has multiple meanings. The remote time servers that an ntpd

Re: [ntp:questions] Rejecting Good Peers

2008-12-03 Thread Maarten Wiltink
Calvin Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 09:08 +0100, Maarten Wiltink wrote: Cal Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] I haven't restarted the servers yet in case I need to query some more info. Do you

Re: [ntp:questions] Rejecting Good Peers

2008-12-03 Thread Cal Webster
On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 17:53 +0100, Maarten Wiltink wrote: [...] Thank you for being specific Maarten. If I were a Linux novice that information would be very helpful. It's hard to judge skill level from a few posts. When I say servers I mean the ntpd daemons on each host. I only restart

Re: [ntp:questions] Rejecting Good Peers

2008-12-02 Thread David Woolley
Cal Webster wrote: One of my NTP servers (Server D below) is rejecting both of its peers. They, on the other hand, each have consistent candidate status for both of *their* peers. This rejecting server does pick the master server as it's reference source but has no candidates listed. I don't

Re: [ntp:questions] Rejecting Good Peers

2008-12-02 Thread Cal Webster
On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 19:50 +, David Woolley wrote: Cal Webster wrote: One of my NTP servers (Server D below) is rejecting both of its peers. They, on the other hand, each have consistent candidate status for both of *their* peers. This rejecting server does pick the master server as

Re: [ntp:questions] Rejecting Good Peers

2008-12-02 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2008-12-02, David Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: naughty boy will not be a well-behaved Orphan Child. Orphan and local clock are mutually incompatible! Nonsense. Orphan Mode and the Undisciplined Local Clock are merely ways of providing a time source to ntpd. As with any set of time

Re: [ntp:questions] Rejecting Good Peers

2008-12-02 Thread David Woolley
Cal Webster wrote: ppoll=10, flash=800 peer_loop, keyid=0, ttl=0, offset=6.071, ^^^ Looks like it is objecting to to the client ultimately being its own server, which I guess is a reasonable thing to do. ___ questions

Re: [ntp:questions] Rejecting Good Peers

2008-12-02 Thread David Woolley
Steve Kostecke wrote: On 2008-12-02, David Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: naughty boy will not be a well-behaved Orphan Child. Orphan and local clock are mutually incompatible! Nonsense. Orphan Mode and the Undisciplined Local Clock are merely ways of providing a time source to ntpd.

Re: [ntp:questions] Rejecting Good Peers

2008-12-02 Thread Cal Webster
On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 21:33 +, David Woolley wrote: Cal Webster wrote: ppoll=10, flash=800 peer_loop, keyid=0, ttl=0, offset=6.071, ^^^ Looks like it is objecting to to the client ultimately being its own server, which I guess is a reasonable thing to

Re: [ntp:questions] Rejecting Good Peers

2008-12-02 Thread Cal Webster
On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 21:29 +, Steve Kostecke wrote: On 2008-12-02, Cal Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my NTP servers (Server D below) is rejecting both of its peers. They, on the other hand, each have consistent candidate status for both of *their* peers. This rejecting

Re: [ntp:questions] Rejecting Good Peers

2008-12-02 Thread David Woolley
Cal Webster wrote: How could any of the peers be clients of themselves? Only the master I think that is the nature of peers. The relationship is symmetric. server is using the Undisciplined Local Clock as a reference. All the others appear to be correctly rejecting theirs and using the

Re: [ntp:questions] Rejecting Good Peers

2008-12-02 Thread cwebster
David Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cal Webster wrote: How could any of the peers be clients of themselves? Only the master I think that is the nature of peers. The relationship is symmetric. That still doesn't make sense to me. A peer is objecting to his peer using a fellow

Re: [ntp:questions] Rejecting Good Peers

2008-12-02 Thread Harlan Stenn
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cal Webster) writes: Cal It sure would be nice if there were more documentation about Orphan Cal mode. There is nothing in the man or info pages for any version. The Cal only scraps I could find were a short blurb on the associations page Cal at

Re: [ntp:questions] Rejecting Good Peers

2008-12-02 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2008-12-03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That still doesn't make sense to me. A peer is objecting to his peer using a fellow peer as a candidate? Why then does this behavior only present itself on the version 4.2.4 peer and none of the others? The difference between 4.2.4 and

Re: [ntp:questions] Rejecting Good Peers

2008-12-02 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2008-12-02, Cal Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 21:29 +, Steve Kostecke wrote: Orphan Mode was introduced in version 4.2.2 It sure would be nice if there were more documentation about Orphan mode. The Official Distribution Documentation is maintained by one