[RBW] Rodeo Red / Blue

2009-11-20 Thread nawrock
The Riv site has a few new pics of the Rodeo with the blue highlights.  Looks good.  I think I like the red better.  And it looks like they are going with the seat tube panel decal that also goes on customs.  I am not crazy about the white color but everything else about this frame is really

[RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-20 Thread JoelMatthews
In snowy salty conditions having no derailer to jam up with gunk while riding and less to clean (in fact there are German companies making swell plastic chain devices that snap over IGH drivetrains) hen you come home from an enjoyable ride enhances the fun. Depending on what your riding

[RBW] Re: fenders and short reach brakes

2009-11-20 Thread Angus
JL, I had a first run Road Standard (late 95) and could not fit fenders with a real 28mm tire. With a 25mm tires (labeled 28mm) I could just BARELY get the fenders to fit. Angus On Nov 20, 12:19 am, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone I can't seem to figure it out.  I have a 1996

Re: [RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-20 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 22:27 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Would you find a very poorly maintained bike fun to ride, even slowly? --one with inefficient brakes, sluggish tires, excessively tight bearings, badly lubed chain, handlebar awry, saddle badly placed, left pedal broken, derailleur

Re: [RBW] Re: fenders and short reach brakes

2009-11-20 Thread Bruce
Angus: Do you recall if the head tube on your '95 was extended or not? I'm trying to fix in my mind the point at which Riv started to supply extended head tubes. My early '95 has a short, Waterford style set up (although with the Sachs lug set). I wonder how early mine is in the production of

[RBW] Re: fenders and short reach brakes

2009-11-20 Thread Mojo
Bruce, My early '96 AllRounder has the Riv turtleneck, but it was a frame option at the time. I believe that is how it was with the first generation frames, an upcharge for the headtube extension. On Nov 20, 6:01 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Angus: Do you recall if the head tube on

Re: [RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-20 Thread PATRICK MOORE
But your negative example doesn't demonstrate inefficiency, it demonstrates poor maintenance and poor adjustment. I don't think anyone would dispute that such a badly maintained bike would be unpleasant. It illustrates (demonstrate is the wrong word) extreme inefficiency, obviously. The real

Re: [RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-20 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: The real question is not about efficiency so much as about trade-offs between two incompatible sets of desirable qualities. I was trying to make that point to the original poster. The inefficiency difference between

[RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-20 Thread It Depends
Berto's later work suggests much narrower gaps between derailer and IGH systems. See http://www.ihpva.org/HParchive/PDF/hp52-2001.pdf (noting especially conclusion 2: Hub gears are generally about 2% lower in efficiency than derailleur-type gears. But there are exceptions.). -- You received

Re: [RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-20 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Very interesting: apparently, at least on some hubs, direct drive is *more* efficient than any gear on a deraileur drivetrain. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 8:38 AM, It Depends dmccu...@gmail.com wrote: Berto's later work suggests much narrower gaps between derailer and IGH systems. See

[RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-20 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Rohloff has a qr option. On Nov 20, 9:29 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: The real question is not about efficiency so much as about trade-offs between two incompatible sets of desirable qualities. I was

[RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-20 Thread JoelMatthews
If I, the hard rider, the time trialer, the can't-go-slow man, ever fall low enough to build up once again a coasting (!!!), multispeed (!!) bike, I will probably choose an IG hub drivetrain. I am having a frame made, which, as the Quickbeam, can accommodate single speed set up and an IG

Re: [RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-20 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Report back too on the EBB; I've thought of this solution to flip-flop hubs and disk brakes. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:32 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: If I, the hard rider, the time trialer, the can't-go-slow man, ever fall low enough to build up once again a coasting (!!!),

[RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-20 Thread Mark
Eric, I do understand your point. I also agree with Jim. The great thing about a bicycle is that its just thatA bicycle! A mechanical machine that has been fascinating weird humans like us for over a century...I think tweaking with it is what makes it a great toy for the gadget

[RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-20 Thread Patrick in VT
On Nov 20, 10:29 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: If I, the hard rider, the time trialer, the can't-go-slow man, ever fall low enough to build up once again a coasting (!!!), multispeed (!!) bike, I will probably choose an IG hub drivetrain. well, that's the thing. if you

Re: [RBW] Re: Which Side Pull Brakes for Jack Browns?

2009-11-20 Thread Horace
Shimano R650 calipers have a reach of 47-57mm http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/BR305E00-Shimano+R650+Road+Caliper+Brake.aspx?sc=FRGL On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Jock Scott ebko...@gmail.com wrote: The specs of the frame and fork are what determine which brake caliper you can use.

Re: [RBW] Re: Which Side Pull Brakes for Jack Browns?

2009-11-20 Thread Horace
Oh -- sorry -- mis-read the previous post. Yeah, 65mm -- that's really long. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: Shimano R650 calipers have a reach of 47-57mm http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/BR305E00-Shimano+R650+Road+Caliper+Brake.aspx?sc=FRGL On

Re: [RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-20 Thread CycloFiend
on 11/19/09 7:50 PM, Tim McNamara at tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Nov 19, 2009, at 5:16 PM, CycloFiend wrote: on 11/19/09 5:39 AM, Mark at mclbicy...@gmail.com wrote: Efficiency is a funny word to those who ride a bike for fun! I agree it may be important if you are in competition,

[RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-20 Thread Tim McNamara
On Nov 20, 2009, at 9:52 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 8:38 AM, It Depends dmccu...@gmail.com wrote: Berto's later work suggests much narrower gaps between derailer and IGH systems. See http://www.ihpva.org/HParchive/PDF/hp52-2001.pdf (noting especially conclusion 2:

Re: [RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-20 Thread Eric Norris
That conception was why te Tour de France was raced in fixed gears into the 1930s. Racers felt that derailleurs were inefficient. The Dancing Chain provides an excellen account of the difficulties faced by multiple-speed systems in the early years. Tourists embraced gearing long before

[RBW] Reminder: Rough Riders Santa Monica tomorrow

2009-11-20 Thread Esteban
So, us So Cal Riv Riders have decided to suspend our regular monthly rides this month so some of us could participate in the Rough Riders Santa Monica Mountains odyssey: http://www.xo-1.org/2009/11/rough-rider-semi-epic-in-santa-monica.html There should be some Rivs there... I'll have my

Re: [RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-20 Thread CycloFiend
on 11/20/09 10:57 AM, Tim McNamara at tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Nov 20, 2009, at 9:52 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 8:38 AM, It Depends dmccu...@gmail.com wrote: Berto's later work suggests much narrower gaps between derailer and IGH systems. See

[RBW] FS: 650b IG Wheel

2009-11-20 Thread Patrick in VT
shimano nexus 8 redband IG hub laced to 650b, 36h synergy rim. $200 (twist-grip shifter included). I'll throw in a Sugino RD ss crank and matching bb for $250. used, but good condition - except for the bb which is brand spanking new. i'm not using it and thought somebody might want to give it

[RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-20 Thread jim_OLP
Who's making these chain covers? On Nov 20, 5:03 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: In snowy salty conditions having no derailer to jam up with gunk while riding and less to clean (in fact there are German companies making swell plastic chain devices that snap over IGH drivetrains)

Re: [RBW] FS: 650b IG Wheel

2009-11-20 Thread cyclotourist
Hi Patrick, sounds like a good deal. How many VT winters has it seen? How much to ship to Sunny Southern California 92373? Do you have a Singleator or such thing as well? Unless shipping is prohibitively expensive, I'll buy the whole shebang. David On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Patrick

Re: [RBW] FS: 650b IG Wheel

2009-11-20 Thread cyclotourist
AH, my biggest pet-peeve... replying to the entire list. Sorry list. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 4:21 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Patrick, sounds like a good deal. How many VT winters has it seen? How much to ship to Sunny Southern California 92373? Do you have a

[RBW] Re: Reminder: Rough Riders Santa Monica tomorrow

2009-11-20 Thread cyclotourist
This is gonna' be a good one. A touch on the cool-side (mid 50's morning to 60's high, brr) but doesn't look any precipitation! If anyone is on the fence, you just gotta' do it! On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: So, us So Cal Riv Riders have decided

[RBW] Swobo XL sale

2009-11-20 Thread cyclotourist
FYI, if you're in the market for some fine woolen goods, Swobo is having a 50% off sale. The catch is you have to want it in XL size... http://us1.campaign-archive.com/?u=31b8033ec7d30faa3f1f95382id=56d4c43686e=7169c6e253 -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future.

[RBW] Re: fenders and short reach brakes

2009-11-20 Thread Bill M.
My Road Std. has the extension. I bought it new in April of 1995. On Nov 20, 5:01 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Angus: Do you recall if the head tube on your '95 was extended or not? I'm trying to fix in my mind the point at which Riv started to supply extended head tubes. My

Re: [RBW] lightest rear rack

2009-11-20 Thread PATRICK MOORE
They do bolt to dropout braze ons, but they are minimal: Tubus Fly: 12 oz (one vendor advertises 11 oz) and carries 20 kilograms. The other end attaches to the seatstay bridge. They are also very, very stiff: I've carried 45 lb on a lightweight 531 frame without terrifying sway. If you are

[RBW] Re: lightest rear rack

2009-11-20 Thread eflayer
do you hate the looks of the Nitto R14. I can understand not being fond of the price, but what's not to like about the looks. Think it's petty light too. A little heavier I guess, but not near the bucks, would be the Pletscher rack at Riv. That one mounts front or rear and looks damn good

Re: [RBW] lightest rear rack

2009-11-20 Thread Bruce
A hupe? http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bags_and_racks?a=1page=3#product=20-136 From: jim_OLP j...@landoloons.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, November 20, 2009 7:15:59 PM Subject: [RBW] lightest rear rack I want the

[RBW] Re: lightest rear rack

2009-11-20 Thread doug peterson
Jim: First of all, beware the slippery slope you are about to descend. Once you've put a rack on one bike, you'll never be able to turn back. Racks and luggage are addictive, and there's no 12 step program to get you off them. If you're as minimalist as you say, look at adapting Mark's rack

[RBW] Re: lightest rear rack

2009-11-20 Thread JoelMatthews
Just get a small saddle bag then. The least obtrusive is nothing, right? On Nov 20, 7:15 pm, jim_OLP j...@landoloons.com wrote: Most people seem to be looking for the strongest rear rack they can find. They're carrying engine blocks down pothole-lined streets, or crossing Mongolia solo.  I

Re: [RBW] lightest rear rack

2009-11-20 Thread rswat...@me.com
You can put those little MAFAC racks on the rear brake, too. That's about as light as they come. Ryan On Nov 20, 2009, at 18:15, jim_OLP j...@landoloons.com wrote: Most people seem to be looking for the strongest rear rack they can find. They're carrying engine blocks down pothole-lined

[RBW] Re: lightest rear rack

2009-11-20 Thread usuk2007
+1 on the saddlebag. A Carradice Barley needs no rear rack on all but the smallest of bikes and you can use a Bagman for a larger bag like a Nelson Longflap or Camper. Here is a link to my setup. I'm carrying everything for an extended tour and the only rack on the bike is an Expedition Bagman.

[RBW] Re: lightest rear rack

2009-11-20 Thread jim_OLP
R14 - Nitto is beautiful, but $105 makes it a target for thieves. And they don't even have a photo showing the entire rack, I couldn't see how it's actually mounted, I assume those rods go down to the dropouts... On Nov 20, 7:30 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: do you hate the looks of

[RBW] Re: lightest rear rack

2009-11-20 Thread jim_OLP
I do have a saddlebag, but it's too small in the winter and it's canvas, I don't want to soak it. I already have a nylon 'trunk' bag which is perfectly sized, but I don't need the support of the big rack. Nitro R14: too nice, too expensive, a target for thieves. I sometimes park in dodgy spots.

[RBW] Re: lightest rear rack

2009-11-20 Thread jim_OLP
The old MAFAC rack does look interesting if it could somehow merge with cantilever brakes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group,

Re: [RBW] Re: lightest rear rack

2009-11-20 Thread rswat...@me.com
On Nov 20, 2009, at 19:58, jim_OLP j...@landoloons.com wrote: The old MAFAC rack does look interesting if it could somehow merge with cantilever brakes. It can! I've seen it done. Someone took just the center mount piece off a MAFAC Racer brake, bolted the little rack to the two bare

Re: [RBW] Re: lightest rear rack

2009-11-20 Thread Horace
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM, jim_OLP j...@landoloons.com wrote: Tubus fly: also very expensive. Well I was going to point out the Tubus Airy, but I guess you wouldn't like that either. Looks like a great rack, though!! I have the Luna, and I think it's great. A little narrow for a trunk

Re: [RBW] Re: lightest rear rack

2009-11-20 Thread Bill Connell
I'd also recommend a large saddlebag, but if you're looking specifically for a lightweight rack and don't want to spend $100, get the Pletscher. Aluminum, light, carries enough. Why not? On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 8:52 PM, jim_OLP j...@landoloons.com wrote: I do have a saddlebag, but it's too

[RBW] FSOT: Kelty ZEN 2 person tent, Crank bros candy SL pedals...

2009-11-20 Thread jinxed
So I picked up a solo tent to use for my bike camping, and no longer have a need for my 2 person Kelty. I have used it 2 times. Originally it belonged to the US forest service and was leftover after the Woodland park fires in Colorado. They apparently had a bunch for the out of state

[RBW] Re: lightest rear rack

2009-11-20 Thread eflayer
Moots http://aebike.com/product/moots-tailgator-ti-rear-rack-w-bag-sku-rk1820-qc30.htm On Nov 20, 8:38 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: I'd also recommend a large saddlebag, but if you're looking specifically for a lightweight rack and don't want to spend $100, get the Pletscher.

[RBW] Re: lightest rear rack

2009-11-20 Thread eflayer
Moots Tailgator Rack and Bag A must for any rider seeking a lightweight performance rack pack. With 400 cubic inches and carrying capacity of 5 lbs, this carrying system provides ample room to store all your essentials. Two shims are included to fit a range of seatpost diameters. The custom made

[RBW] Thoughts on ordering Carradice bag from europe...

2009-11-20 Thread gerg
Hello, I am in the market for Carradice Camper saddle bag. I cant find one in any stores in S.F. I have noticed that i can order one from SJS Bikes in london for around $110. Has anyone had any experience with this company and/or purchasing from overseas? Cheers gerg -- You received this

Re: [RBW] Thoughts on ordering Carradice bag from europe...

2009-11-20 Thread Rene Sterental
I have placed two orders with them with excellent outcome. I wouldn't hesitate ordering from them again. René On 11/20/09, gerg superwe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am in the market for Carradice Camper saddle bag. I cant find one in any stores in S.F. I have noticed that i can order one

[RBW] Re: Reminder: Rough Riders Santa Monica tomorrow

2009-11-20 Thread Aaron Thomas
The weather out here in Santa Monica has been stellar the past few days. A little crisp, maybe, but clear skies as far as the eye can see -- and that's something you can't always say about the LA basin. I got my bike juiced up and ready to go. See y'all in the morning. A On Nov 20, 4:26 pm,