[RBW] Rust inside frame?

2012-02-20 Thread Damian
Dear RBWers, I have a Saluki (2007) which normally is fendered but not at the moment because of an overestimation of my mountainbiking skills and the selection of an inappropriate trail resulting in an uncomfortable encounter with a gorse bush (do you have them in the USA? I'm in Ireland) and a

Re: [RBW] Rust inside frame?

2012-02-20 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Damian damian.jack...@gmail.com wrote: Dear RBWers, I have a Saluki (2007) which normally is fendered but not at the moment because of an overestimation of my mountainbiking skills and the selection of an inappropriate trail resulting in an uncomfortable

Re: [RBW] Rust inside frame?

2012-02-20 Thread Damian
Right, maybe it is, although I didn't notice a smell. Unfortunately I then cleaned the frame so I can't try to smell it now... They should make framesaver a different colour to rust! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view

Re: [RBW] Rust inside frame?

2012-02-20 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Damian damian.jack...@gmail.com wrote: Right, maybe it is, although I didn't notice a smell. Unfortunately I then cleaned the frame so I can't try to smell it now... They should make framesaver a different colour to rust! Framesaver smells, to me, very

[RBW] Rust inside frame?

2012-02-20 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Pull the seatpost and hang the bike upside down at various angles to drain any water that may be inside. If you have the tools, you may also pull the crank/BB to check for rust. Grease the seatpost and BB threads liberally before reinstallation. Internal rust is usually more of a theoretical

[RBW] Re: Rust inside frame?

2012-02-20 Thread Damian
Thanks Jim, Will do. Damian -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/sQkm6SySAyUJ. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Aussie tights? Alternatives?

2012-02-20 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Has anyone (male) used the Aussie tights ( http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ab4.htm) over regular underwear? Are they decent or are they unstructured and thin enough that they require hip-latitude corsetry like bike shorts underneath? I did once order a pair of the earlier Rivendell wool tights

Re: [RBW] Aussie tights? Alternatives?

2012-02-20 Thread Lyle Bogart
I like the Sport Hill XC pant; I'm pretty sure Peter White sells them. Cheers! lyle On 20 February 2012 10:53, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone (male) used the Aussie tights ( http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ab4.htm) over regular underwear? Are they decent or are they

RE: [RBW] Aussie tights? Alternatives?

2012-02-20 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Patrick: I ride in them 3-4 days/wk, usually with the Australian wool boxers under them (sometimes with a Rapha liner instead). I think they're decent, and I don't think they're like long johns (if I understand what you mean by that). They feel like fairly thick (definitely opaque, and quite

[RBW] SimpleOne in progess and a question

2012-02-20 Thread brian feltovich
That's a beautiful bike, but I have to throw my two cents in on the bar and stem combo. Ack. Sorry, that's just funky looking. Are you sure you want to be THAT high up? Beauty's in the eye of the yadda yadda, but ouch. Brian -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

RE: [RBW] SimpleOne in progess and a question

2012-02-20 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
It's coming down some (and I'll level the saddle, too), but I think the visual is actually more adversely affected by the fact that the levers are way too high -- when they come down, the comfort level will actually be better, I think, and the look will definitely not be quite as loony. I DID

Re: [RBW] Aussie tights? Alternatives?

2012-02-20 Thread Bruce Herbitter
I wear Wooly warm tights over wool boxers or sucking tech fabric boxers and like them a lot. Below 40F, I wear MUSA pants over them Sent from my Kindle Fire _ From: PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com Sent: Mon Feb 20 09:53:06 CST 2012 To:

[RBW] Re: Rust inside frame?

2012-02-20 Thread Jay
Jim, Now you tell me. I treated the frame I bought from Forrest that he bought from you. If you treat the frames you sell that would mean it got sprayed twice. Are you serious about weight being an issue? How much can a little spray weigh? Jay On Feb 20, 5:32 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

[RBW] Re: Rust inside frame?

2012-02-20 Thread Jay in Tel Aviv
Jim, Now you tell me. I treated the frame I bought from Forrest that he bought from you. If you treat the frames you sell that would mean it got sprayed twice. Are you serious about weight being an issue? How much can a little spray weigh? Jay On Feb 20, 5:32 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

Re: [RBW] Re: Rust inside frame?

2012-02-20 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Jay robin...@gmail.com wrote: Jim, Now you tell me. I treated the frame I bought from Forrest that he bought from you. If you treat the frames you sell that would mean it got sprayed twice. Are you serious about weight being an issue? How much can a little

Re: [RBW] SimpleOne in progess and a question

2012-02-20 Thread David Spranger
Beautiful bike. Makes me anxious to start on my SimpleOne build. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/FGGqhuz7HkIJ. To post to this group,

[RBW] Re: My Rivendell 64 cm custom frame remains for sale. Price reduction.

2012-02-20 Thread Ryan Ray
Where were you last year? uugh. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/97cz5_RUYHUJ. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Sackville Grid-Grey Mudflaps for sale, Brand New

2012-02-20 Thread Peter M
Bought these off a lister but getting a green slickersack and I am a self confessed bag matcher and cant run two styles on one bike, I know I know, sad stuff. Will sell for what I paid, 18 bucks shipped for the pair, brand new. Thanks. Peter -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] How many full growlers will an Acorn boxy random bag hold?

2012-02-20 Thread Ryan Ray
Two! http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanrray/6897492167/in/photostream Handling wasn't exactly crisp but I got to the work meeting from Fremont Brewing with two full growlers in my Acorn boxy radio bag mounted on an M-12. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

[RBW] Re: A Short Trip to RBWHQ

2012-02-20 Thread ted
I really like the looks of the bulmoose bubar on that Bombadil. Thanks for the photo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send

[RBW] Re: New Bombadil and AHH

2012-02-20 Thread Matthew J
Great bikes and great pictures. Appears the two of you are really having a blast! On Feb 19, 4:49 am, Tom Harrop twhar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi RBW, I've finally put the finishing touches together, so here's a link to a few photos of my 68 cm Bombadil. http://flic.kr/p/bvSB28 Scroll through to

[RBW] Re: East Coast Rivendells / BOBs

2012-02-20 Thread ascpgh
Joe: Nice to hear from/of you! Thanks for the plug too. Love to see you around on that weekend, the GAP is certainly what the NYT article (http://travel.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/travel/escapes/23passage.html? pagewanted=all) suggested. I'm working hard against the constraints of employment to be

[RBW] Re: Rust inside frame?

2012-02-20 Thread C.J. Filip
At the risk of jacking the OP's thread...is there any benefit to plugging the vent holes on the fork legs and junction of the seat and chain stays? Think I read somewhere that beeswax would do the trick. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners

[RBW] Re: SimpleOne in progess and a question

2012-02-20 Thread David T.
The bars aren't even all that high. Don't worry if your bike doesn't precisely match the standards of internet orthodoxy. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: Rust inside frame?

2012-02-20 Thread Leslie
I think you want to leave those open, so any water that does get in, can drain out... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/SPiqm-UYHOsJ.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rust inside frame?

2012-02-20 Thread Peter Morgano
Yeah, the frame needs to breathe, some surface rust inside is ok, you just dont want pooling water On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: I think you want to leave those open, so any water that does get in, can drain out... -- You received this message

Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne in progess and a question

2012-02-20 Thread Peter Morgano
I am a self-confessed high handlebar guy, you will get guff from the racer boy set out there who think anyone not riding with thier head below thier read is not a real rider but do what is comfortable for you. Love the look of the simple one, wish I could convince my wife to let me add another to

Re: [RBW] How many full growlers will an Acorn boxy random bag hold?

2012-02-20 Thread Lyle Bogart
well, now that I know the answer to that, I'll probably get one :) On 20 February 2012 13:17, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: Two! http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanrray/6897492167/in/photostream Handling wasn't exactly crisp but I got to the work meeting from Fremont Brewing with two

[RBW] Re: Rust inside frame?

2012-02-20 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Re: frame saver adds too much weight I often say absurd things for comedic effect. I have to remember that absurdity is often difficult to distinguish from the things that genuinely concern some people who are into bikes! Joking aside, the question of frame saver weight has been asked. --

[RBW] Terminological Inexactitude

2012-02-20 Thread David T.
There seems to be a notion that a bike frame can be “sprightly” or “lively”. On the other hand, a frame can supposedly be “sluggish.” I assume this means that the tubing is more or less flexible. Does flexible tubing make a bike more sprightly? Couldn’t you just as well call it “floppy” or

Re: [RBW] How many full growlers will an Acorn boxy random bag hold?

2012-02-20 Thread Ryan Ray
Sorry for the typo, my computer was trying to tell me how to spell rando. Not impressed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit

[RBW] Re: How many full growlers will an Acorn boxy random bag hold?

2012-02-20 Thread colin p. cummings
I would have guessed two, but that's beside the point. Carrying ANY growlers is the point! On Feb 20, 12:52 pm, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for the typo, my computer was trying to tell me how to spell rando. Not impressed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed

[RBW] Re: Terminological Inexactitude

2012-02-20 Thread colin p. cummings
I love it. All of it. Especially the part about quick steering; I myself have never had a good experience where quick steering is required. As far as supple tires go...in my mind, this term is reserved only for describing leather and, well, let's just say skin. I have a friend who used to

[RBW] Re: Terminological Inexactitude

2012-02-20 Thread jpp
The words are weird. The one that always gets me is the widespread use of the word bombproof. People like everything on their bike to be bombproof, frame, tires, wheels, etc. I have been riding a long time but have yet to ever run over a bomb. -- You received this message because you are

Re: [RBW] Re: Rust inside frame?

2012-02-20 Thread Bruce Herbitter
But what if you use carbon-based frame saver and a Titanium spray can? On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Re: frame saver adds too much weight I often say absurd things for comedic effect. I have to remember that absurdity is often

[RBW] Re: Terminological Inexactitude

2012-02-20 Thread David T.
I forgot about bombproof. This is often used in reference to tents as well, although if I were being bombed I think a tent would be the last place I would go. And I forgot one of my favourites, the laid-back seatpost. It sounds like the hippy of seatposts, relaxed, non-aggressive. Probably quite

[RBW] Seattle CL: 59cm Romulus

2012-02-20 Thread rcnute
Not mine but happy to liaise if needed! http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/2861273352.html Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from

Re: [RBW] Re: How many full growlers will an Acorn boxy random bag hold?

2012-02-20 Thread cyclotourist
Growlers are great, but some times you just have to commit! http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/2406328083/in/photostream/ :-) On 2/20/12, colin p. cummings colinthehip...@gmail.com wrote: I would have guessed two, but that's beside the point. Carrying ANY growlers is the point! On

[RBW] Jimmy Carter

2012-02-20 Thread Ryan Ray
On a bike. Not just any bike. http://www.thebicyclestory.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/jimmy_carter_riv.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit

Re: [RBW] Jimmy Carter

2012-02-20 Thread Larry Schellhase
That is a very old picture On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: On a bike. Not just any bike. http://www.thebicyclestory.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/jimmy_carter_riv.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW

Re: [RBW] Jimmy Carter

2012-02-20 Thread cyclotourist
Rumored to have at least one Rivendell mixte as well! On 2/20/12, Larry Schellhase schellh...@gmail.com wrote: That is a very old picture On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: On a bike. Not just any bike.

Re: [RBW] Jimmy Carter

2012-02-20 Thread cyclotourist
Yep, here it is: http://www.flickr.com/photos/24103159@N08/3360339647/ On 2/20/12, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Rumored to have at least one Rivendell mixte as well! On 2/20/12, Larry Schellhase schellh...@gmail.com wrote: That is a very old picture On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at

Re: [RBW] Seattle CL: 59cm Romulus

2012-02-20 Thread cyclotourist
Those are nice bikes! On 2/20/12, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Not mine but happy to liaise if needed! http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/2861273352.html Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this

Re: [RBW] Jimmy Carter

2012-02-20 Thread newenglandbike
Yes that picture has been around for a while. But kinda cool to be reminded of it... fenderlines be damned, that's a nice bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit

Re: [RBW] New Bombadil and AHH

2012-02-20 Thread René Sterental
Great bikes and setups! Congratulations! René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: SimpleOne in progess and a question

2012-02-20 Thread Corwin
I would go with cork bar tape - no shellac. I did the shellac thing on my Quickbeam. Matched the saddle really well. But it turned out to be a maintenance nightmare. Subsequently, Mark turned me on to just cork bar tape. Advantages: 1) Cleans up really easy with water and dish soap. 2) Never

Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne in progess and a question

2012-02-20 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Corwin ernf...@gmail.com wrote: I would go with cork bar tape - no shellac. I did the shellac thing on my Quickbeam. Matched the saddle really well. But it turned out to be a maintenance nightmare. Subsequently, Mark turned me on to just cork bar tape.

Re: [RBW] Digest for rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 25 Messages in 10 Topics

2012-02-20 Thread Doug Ford
Aussie tights. I wear them every day in the winter under MUSA shorts, no underwear. Warm in the cold, not too hot, soft, dry quickly, not too tight. The crotch wears out after awhile. On 2/20/12, rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:

Re: [RBW] Terminological Inexactitude

2012-02-20 Thread jimD
Well, I may know or think I know, what you are talking about, but most importantly do you? You left out the PLUSH handling off the Bosco! -JmD My theory is that great bikes are pretty much magic. Start throwing terms like that around and the real trouble will start. On Feb 20, 2012, at

[RBW] WTB roadie rivvy 54/55cm

2012-02-20 Thread JL
Hello all, Before I pull the trigger on a new Roadeo frameset (I think I about have convinced myself to go for it) I thought I might check here for any stray Rams/Roms/roadies etc. I am looking to buy a 54 or 55cm (79cm PBH) complete bike or frame/ fork. 700c wheels. Thanks JL -- You

[RBW] Re: Aussie tights? Alternatives?

2012-02-20 Thread Dennis
I have the aussies in size M and I have found them quite comfortable - Usually I wear then over padded bike shorts with a MEC bike knicker over them. I have been comfortable in a range of 28 to 50 degrees in sometimes sunny Portland OR. They are neither too tight or too loose - they don't bag at

[RBW] Re: How many full growlers will an Acorn boxy random bag hold?

2012-02-20 Thread Frank Brose
Now this is worthwhile cycling related information! On Feb 20, 12:17 pm, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: Two! http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanrray/6897492167/in/photostream Handling wasn't exactly crisp but I got to the work meeting from Fremont Brewing with two full growlers in my

Re: [RBW] Terminological Inexactitude

2012-02-20 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 13:55 -0800, jimD wrote: Well, I may know or think I know, what you are talking about, but most importantly do you? You left out the PLUSH handling off the Bosco! Now there's a name that brings back memories! Oh, I love Bosco! That's the drink

[RBW] Re: Jimmy Carter

2012-02-20 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Note the vintage Shimano Deore thumbshifters... NICE TOUCH, JIMMA!!! On Feb 20, 3:55 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Yes that picture has been around for a while.   But kinda cool to be reminded of it... fenderlines be damned, that's a nice bike. -- You received this

[RBW] FS: stuff....

2012-02-20 Thread mikel66...@juno.com
-Shimano RSX triple crank 46/36/26 170 or 175 lengths includes rebuilt cartridge BB...$65 shipped -RSX 7 speed Brifters. triple or double $85 shipped -RSX front derailer 28.6...$18 shipped -RSX long cage rear derailer$25 shipped -dual pivot short reach brakes. with like new pads. i can

[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

2012-02-20 Thread James
Phew, back before this thread got hijacked :)the rear rack. The one thing that I don't love about my build. Yes, it's not parallel. Here's why: Partially because I am lazy. The rear rack (like the front rack) is bolted to the fender, which means I had to drill the fender. I drilled the

Re: [RBW] Terminological Inexactitude

2012-02-20 Thread Tim McNamara
On Feb 20, 2012, at 12:43 PM, David T. wrote: There seems to be a notion that a bike frame can be “sprightly” or “lively”. On the other hand, a frame can supposedly be “sluggish.” I assume this means that the tubing is more or less flexible. Does flexible tubing make a bike more sprightly?

[RBW] Re: New Bombadil and AHH

2012-02-20 Thread Kelly
Tom Now that is sweet and I wish I hadn't looked ... now I want one. :) Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/sGpl5cAYCdAJ. To post

Re: [RBW] Jimmy Carter

2012-02-20 Thread Larry Schellhase
I believe the mixte is otherwise known as Rivendell's First Lady's bike On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:39 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: Rumored to have at least one Rivendell mixte as well! On 2/20/12, Larry Schellhase schellh...@gmail.com wrote: That is a very old picture

[RBW] Re: New Bombadil and AHH

2012-02-20 Thread Tom Harrop
Yes, because this one http://flic.kr/p/bafis6 is clearly inadequate, you oughta be ashamed! Jokes aside, have you (or has anyone else) had problems with tall, heavy bikes, carrying bags and/or baskets loads, toppling over on kickstands? I was planning to put one of the two-leggers on my Bomba,

Re: [RBW] Re: New Bombadil and AHH

2012-02-20 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I've found that a cheap, Greenfield rear-dropout stand works better with heavy rear loads, even assymetrical loads, than any Pletscher or Velo Orange 2-leg stand. Trikes work better than the Greenfield. On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Tom Harrop twhar...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, because this one

Re: [RBW] Re: Aussie tights? Alternatives?

2012-02-20 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Thanks for all the talk about Aussie's and alternatives; good to know that the relatively cheap Aussie's are a viable possibility, not needing corsetry. I'll wait to see what the late winter sales offer and then decide, On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Dennis hoga...@gmail.com wrote: I have

[RBW] Re: 64 Atlantis still FS

2012-02-20 Thread bingomck
Still unsold and baby is still coming. $1,575. No seatpost, seat or paddles (unless you want an old old Campy seatpost and old old somewhat broken B17). Does includes the 2x Big Apples 700x60 Gonna take it to the 'Bay tomorrow night if there are no takers here. Thanks all On Feb 17, 6:43 am,

Re: [RBW] Terminological Inexactitude

2012-02-20 Thread jimD
For my bicycle I demand 'stiff but compliant'! Now if that isn't horse manure I don't know horses. -JimD On Feb 20, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: On Feb 20, 2012, at 12:43 PM, David T. wrote: There seems to be a notion that a bike frame can be “sprightly” or “lively”. On the other

[RBW] Re: Terminological Inexactitude

2012-02-20 Thread dougP
Some the writers for bike mags went to the school where wine descriptions are taught, and have applied the same weird ideas to describing the characteristics of bicycles. Hey, if you're paying the big bucks, shouldn't you get some ecstatic experience? Loving the plush ride of my Atlantis, as it

[RBW] WTB: Suntour Bar-End Shifter Slotted Nut

2012-02-20 Thread Kevin Turinsky
Howdy, I'm looking for one of these: http://www.flickr.com/photos/akrando/6914297847/in/photostream Please let me know if you have one or two available. Thank you. Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this

[RBW] WTB: Rivendell Sweat Shirts

2012-02-20 Thread reynoldslugs
If you have one available (L or XL), kindly contact me off-list. thanks Max B -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email

[RBW] Re: Terminological Inexactitude

2012-02-20 Thread rob markwardt
...it's fruity with hints of soil, tobacco and saddle leather! On Feb 20, 8:11 pm, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Some the writers for bike mags went to the school where wine descriptions are taught, and have applied the same weird ideas to describing the characteristics of bicycles.  Hey, if

Re: [RBW] Re: Aussie tights? Alternatives?

2012-02-20 Thread Brian Hanson
I have a pair of the large per Grant's recommendation that you go up a size. Observations are that they come up to my chest, and are a bit baggy. I would go with M (I'm 5'11 160lbs) next time. These are warm - definitely too warm for Seattle winters of 40-50. They are great when it's in the