[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

I don't think keeping both is in the cards, at least not for the long haul. I could hold out, but eventually the Sam is gonna go. Hunq in the city is comfy and fun, but can be hard to keep up with friends on roadier bikes. Big 29er tires and wheels can make stopping and starting and climbing a

[RBW] Re: PSA -- 58cm atlantis 1750 seattle CL

You must have just beat me. Congrats! I really want a new 56cm 650B anyway. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Atlantis for Hunq trade?

I appreciate the input! I am downsizing as well, and while yeah they'll do basically the same thing, there was a certain feeling I had when I was riding the Hunq through the California hills. On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 10:03:22 AM UTC-7, drew wrote: > > I tend to agree. A 58 Atlantis and a

Re: [RBW] To shim or not to shim?

My only experience with a handlebar shim was quite positive. On one bike I replaced the drop bar with an Albatross bar that's 25.4 mm. On this bike I use a stem riser with a threadless stem and removable faceplate to make switching stems easy. I installed the Albatross bars on a cheap (I

[RBW] Re: FS: Devoid wool boxers sz. Small

Nobody wanted the wool boxers, so how about $20 including postage. On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 10:47:32 AM UTC-4, Roy Drinkwater wrote: > > I tried a Devoid wool boxer recently purchased from Riv. It's not what I > like, so I'm selling it for $25 postage included. Worn twice, washed 4 >

[RBW] FEELER! 58cm appaloosa frame and fork

i would entertain trades for another 58-60cm riv. the long wheelbase (which everyone seems to love around here) just didn't suit my riding style. it's an amazing bike, but again, just not for my particular riding style. anyone got anything they'd like to trade for a like-new appaloosa? --

[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

I would keep the Hung and the Sam since that will probably fit all your riding situations absent road racing. Which bike will you set up for the kid? I currently have the Joe setup with a bike seat and it rides fantastic. I have a dropbar Romulus that I can take out without all the equipment.

[RBW] FS: Sam Hillborne 55cm

Beautiful bike. Wish I could afford it after just buying a Joe. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

Drew: Congratulations on your growing family. In a couple of years you'll be making bike choices based on "kidability". To your question, I endorse option 1. I can see the Hunq handling things like kid seats, trailers, trail-a-bikes, etc., better than Sam. Option 2 is a bit

[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

I'll second the congrats on your growing family! I'm 11 months in with my daughter and it's been truly wonderful. Biking related I'm using the 'need' for a dedicated front kid seat bike as justification for one of my (not n=1) bikes... I've entertained many scenarios like your #2 and while I

[RBW] FS: IRD Defiant Compact Road Double Cranks

172.5mm. Just a little too long of me. Like new. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to

[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

So I have 5 bikes at the moment. Hunqapillar w/ bullmoose bars Atlantis w/ albastache bars Appaloosa w/ albatross bars Salsa Vaya Travel w/ drop bars Salsa Colosal Ti w/ drop bars My Hunqapillar is by far my favorite bike I own/have owned! Every time I get on it, it just feels so magical!

[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

Howdy, I definitely would not buy another bike-- experience has taught me that this is rarely the solution. I'd keep the Sam and the Hunq and sell everything else. Two good bikes that will cover everything but road racing. If the time comes (financially or otherwise) to sell one of the two

[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

Congratulations on preparing to grow a family, Drew! Awesome! Option 1, though I do not fathom why the Hunqa is "not the best for city road riding." Cushy, smooth tires, fenders, favortie handlebar set up, all set! Add panniers and you've got the ability to run errands galore. With abandon,

[RBW] On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

Say you had a hunqapillar, a Sam and a couple vintage bikes. But mostly the hunq and Sam got ridden and you felt like you lived a really nice bike life. Then let's say you were trying to have a kid and you lived in a small house and bike room could no longer be bike room. Let's also say that a

[RBW] Re: Atlantis Rebuild Ideas

Now there's a sensible idea. Never tried them myself but the Albastache is well regarded. +1 for having to change everything. dougP On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 2:32:24 PM UTC-7, panog wrote: > > I'll give you an idea and that is before you go all out with a new > groupset try the Albastache

[RBW] Soon-to-be owner of a 26" wheeled Atlantis. Build suggestions?

Have tektro cr720s with brand new gevalle cartridges salmon Kool stop -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: FS: Choco-Norm Bar, Tallux Stem, Paul Thumbies, Shimano Bar Ends, Sugino Triple

The Tallux is sold. Just the Crankset is left. Feel free to make an offer. Super easy to make it to a compact double with chainguard if you wanted. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

[RBW] Re: Some bags FS

How does the Brand V attach to the bars?? John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 8:27:32 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: > Everything gone except the Brand V dropbar bag. How's about $25 shipped to > get it outta here? > > I also have a couple of tool bags for sale. They hang off

[RBW] WTB: Sackville Bar Tube Bag & XSmall SaddleSack in Olive

I bought a Bar Tube Bag, now I'm the hunt for just an Olive. XS Saddle Sack Let me know if you have one and are willing to part with it . Thanks, Keith -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

[RBW] Re: Some bags FS

Everything gone except the Brand V dropbar bag. How's about $25 shipped to get it outta here? I also have a couple of tool bags for sale. They hang off the bag loops, one honey Brooks bag, one black Acorn, $50 each shipped. Thanks, Joe Bernard -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: shakedown campaloosa

Thanks for all the kind comments guys! Ya, Bob. I actually have one of those nitto big front racks, but I was thinking I'd want something a little less substantial on the appaloosa and I'd put that one one my clementineSky On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 3:11:00 PM UTC-7, Bob Lovejoy wrote: >

[RBW] FS: Schmidt Edelux, CX-70 brakes, Frame pump, Bar tube, Cassette

All items excluding the cassette are now spoken for. I'll report back if deals fall thru -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: To shim or not to shim?

+1 on the shims being a pain to install. It's possible to get them in without scratching the bars, but it takes some doing. I've never tried the brass material, but now that I know it exists I may give it a shot. P.S. I have a set of 26>25.4 Nitto shims. I you need them, I will sell them for

[RBW] FS: Schmidt Edelux, CX-70 brakes, Frame pump, Bar tube, Cassette

Edelux is sold -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: shakedown campaloosa

Maybe something for another thread but maybe we can get a comparison of the 27f versus the big Nitto front rack (34f) from Mr B. Lindsay or others. I think I remember Bill had a 34f on his Joe and I know he is familiar with the 27f as well. Curiosity as well as visions of Appaloosa touring...

Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

That's why they call 'em squirrels--'cause they're squirrelly. Hello. On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 9:11:55 AM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote: > > Dear Ron, > > I was just speaking to someone about squirrels while driving and how that > person tries to avoid hitting them but she mentioned that they

[RBW] Atlantis Rebuild Ideas

I'll give you an idea and that is before you go all out with a new groupset try the Albastache first to see how you like the more upright setup. These bars will put you close to where the Choco will and you don't have to change anything else to try them out. Your levers, barcons, derailleurs,

[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

This is interesting, and a bit surprising. We stopped at Rivendell a while back & my wife test rode a Clementine. She found it to be "twitchy" compared to her Atlantis. Same designer, and both are standard Riv builds. The mystery of handling continues. dougP On Monday, May 29, 2017 at

[RBW] Re: Atlantis Rebuild Ideas

Couple of thoughts: Think again about thumbies. On upright / flat bars, IME, thumbies are more natural & intuitive. Another consideration is the sticking out bar ends get in the way sometimes. You can check to see if Paul's thumbie adapters will work with Silvers but they work with the

[RBW] FS: Schmidt Edelux, CX-70 brakes, Frame pump, Bar tube, Cassette

More stuff that has to go. All prices include shipping to CONUS *Schmidt Edelux II- 125$ *silver, less than a year old, stored inside. excellent newish condition. 22in wire and some extra wire/parts. normal mount. i bought into the presale for the sinewave beacon and promised myself id sell

[RBW] Re: shakedown campaloosa

What a brilliant shakedown ride! With abandon, Patrick On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 11:34:09 AM UTC-6, Sky Coulter wrote: > > So I mostly finished building up my 55cm dropbar appaloosa Friday night > and then took it for an over night biking trip with some friends on the > lochside and

[RBW] Re: Atlantis for Hunq trade?

Whichever you build up first, practice contentment for three years. You'll be delighted you did! With abandon, Patrick On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 1:57:33 PM UTC-6, dougP wrote: > > While I agree in general with the view that the grass is always greener, > the answer depends somewhat on your

[RBW] Re: Pick your paint Hunq

Fantastic! Enjoy!...and please share photos once it is built up. Chris Johnson Sanger, Texas On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 11:28:17 PM UTC-5, Michael in SF wrote: > > >

[RBW] Re: Soon-to-be owner of a 26" wheeled Atlantis. Build suggestions?

I'll chime in on the brake issue. Blasphemy, I know, but the cantilevers that came on my Atlantis ('03) were just barely kinda sorta OK in the dry with no load. They were totally inadequate otherwise. After much futzing about I got the Tektro 720s when Rivendell started carrying them. While

[RBW] Re: shakedown campaloosa

Ugh, I need to move to Vancouver Island. And someday I will, god willing :-) Your (friend's) nice photos will have to do until then. Looks like a great time! KJ On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 1:34:09 PM UTC-4, Sky Coulter wrote: > > So I mostly finished building up my 55cm dropbar appaloosa

[RBW] Re: Atlantis for Hunq trade?

While I agree in general with the view that the grass is always greener, the answer depends somewhat on your intended use. The 95% overlap may be true. There are a few list members who have one of each so they'd be a good source of info. IIRC, the Hunq takes fatter tires, if maximizing tire

[RBW] Re: To shim or not to shim?

Sheldon: My experience is same as Rene's. My work around was using only one piece if the Nitto shim. While mechanically this may be incorrect, it's been in there for a few years with no problem. Bob's suggestion of brass shim stock is better. The Nitto stuff is I think stainless steel.

[RBW] Re: shakedown campaloosa

Sky, That looks like an awesome ride! The bike looks great too. I will add those trails to my biking wish list. I am so glad the bike is all you hoped it would be and more. All the best, Erl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch"

[RBW] Re: FS: Choco-Norm Bar, Tallux Stem, Paul Thumbies, Shimano Bar Ends, Sugino Triple

Bar ends are gone. Crankset and stem are still available! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

[RBW] WTB: Soma Portola or Albastache

Hey all, Looking to source a used bar of the variety listed above. Give me a shout via PM to let me know if you have anything you'd like to pass along. Thank you, -Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe

[RBW] FEELER! 58cm appaloosa frame and fork

Hey Johnny, What's your PBH? Thanks, -Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to

[RBW] Re: shakedown campaloosa

Thanks for the kind comments. The documentation is all due to my friend Ellison. WE were making fun of him for taking so many selfies and other pictures, but in the end, he captured some nice shots. The appaloosa is, I think, destined to be my favorite bike. I had been a bit torn between

[RBW] Re: shakedown campaloosa

Hi Sky, I feel safe in saying, and I cannot imagine this changing in my lifetime, maybe ever... but that is the absolutely the most fun, greatest, best ever shakedown ride I have ever seen! Documented at that, and in perfect weather... Well done! And to think I ride around the block 30

Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

Lee Don't know, was just asking the question about what is fork material. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 8:54:16 AM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote: > Dear John, > > Did a squirrel get stuck within the wheel while riding, causing the crack > in the fork? > > On Mon, May 29,

[RBW] shakedown campaloosa

So I mostly finished building up my 55cm dropbar appaloosa Friday night and then took it for an over night biking trip with some friends on the lochside and gallooping goose trails on Vancouver Island. It was quite a bit of fun and the bike handled as well as I could ask. The only issue was a

[RBW] Re: To shim or not to shim?

I have no problems using a shim. 0.010" brass shim stock is a perfect thickness to mate 25.4 bars to a 26.0 stem. I got a piece at my local hardware store. It's soft and malleable enough to open up and slip over the bar easily. I round the corners to make sure there are no sharp edges to

[RBW] Re: Atlantis for Hunq trade?

I tend to agree. A 58 Atlantis and a 54/700c hunq are gonna do about 95% of the same work. That being said, I am currently pondering spacially and financially downsizing from a hunq and a Sam and a vintage trek, to a single 650b Atlantis. Logic says to just keep the hunq and sell the

[RBW] Re: Rear disc question for Hubbuhubbuh

Thanks Jim and Rene, This clarifies things. Cheers, Ray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

[RBW] Re: Soon-to-be owner of a 26" wheeled Atlantis. Build suggestions?

I'm not fluent in all the part #s you put down but it looks like a mixture of road & commuting stuff. The picture is of a S240 tour set up. So the first thing is to be clear about what kind of riding you want to do. Also, the pic shows a bike with knobby tires. I have never found such tires

[RBW] Re: Atlantis for Hunq trade?

You just bought a great bike, and probably at a great price. The ego wants wanting more than it wants having. Proof: as soon as we get something we start wanting something else. Joy isn't something we get out of things; it's something we put into things. In-joy the great bike that you have.

[RBW] Atlantis for Hunq trade?

Hi RBW! I'll spare you all the details, but just as I was about to put a deposit on a Hunqapillar, a used Atlantis popped up and I grabbed it. It's an earlier, Toyo build frame in great shape. I'm toying with the idea of rebuilding it, and turning it into a nice commuter, but honestly my

Re: [RBW] To shim or not to shim?

My experiences with the Nitto shims to try to fit 25.4 bars on 26mm stems is the following: - Once everything is set, they work very well. - Installing them is a total PIA, as I end up scratching the bar since it's so hard to slide them and adjust them in place when the center of the bar is inside

[RBW] Re: Atlantis Rebuild Ideas

The next time my bike is at an LBS, I'm going to have them install those chunky grips. I've heard nothing but good things about them. I like the clear-coated bare frame Atlantis. I didn't know any models besides the Bombadil got that treatement. On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 10:16:00 AM

[RBW] Re: Soon-to-be owner of a 26" wheeled Atlantis. Build suggestions?

OOPS https://flic.kr/p/U3vK8k On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 9:57:11 AM UTC-4, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: > > So you nabbed that "04" serial number Atlantis?I can't wait to see > your build when it's finished! > > > > On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote: >> >> Looking to do

[RBW] To shim or not to shim?

I seek wisdom on the mysteries of shims. I get that shims are a device that enable one to use different dimensioned handlebars for your bike. Does using one compromise safety or integrity? Would using one make it harder for a klutzy non-mechanic to remove handlebars for shipping and reinstall

[RBW] Re: Pick your paint Hunq

Snazzy! With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 10:28:17 PM UTC-6, Michael in SF wrote: > > > > > > >

[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

More gears, less tire. Interesting choice. I look forward to a post from you on how the tires compare and how the 10 spd friction works out. Do include more specifics about the drive chain and start a new thread. Michael On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 12:50:12 PM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:

Re: [RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

OTOH, I can ride no hands on my Matthews with a (Jim G's calculator) flop factor of 19, with no problem; as easily as on my Rivendell Roads. The bike that's hard to ride no hands is my Dahon Hon Solo, which I hear tell is a very low trail (= low flop?) design. I think other reasons are involved.

[RBW] Re: Soon-to-be owner of a 26" wheeled Atlantis. Build suggestions?

So you nabbed that "04" serial number Atlantis?I can't wait to see your build when it's finished! On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote: > > Looking to do this on the cheap, so some parts will be needed.. > I am thinking an Ultraromance-like-one since I have a lot of

Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

and back across On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 8:11:55 AM UTC-5, Lee Legrand wrote: > > Dear Ron, > > I was just speaking to someone about squirrels while driving and how that > person tries to avoid hitting them but she mentioned that they always seem > to run across the street, at the last

Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

Dear Ron, I was just speaking to someone about squirrels while driving and how that person tries to avoid hitting them but she mentioned that they always seem to run across the street, at the last minute. On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Ron Mc wrote: > squirrels are more

[RBW] Soon-to-be owner of a 26" wheeled Atlantis. Build suggestions?

Looking to do this on the cheap, so some parts will be needed.. I am thinking an Ultraromance-like-one since I have a lot of similar parts... http://www.bikepacking.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ultraromance-atlantis-04.jpg Needed: seatpost crankset [maybe] brakes derailleurs wheelset tires

Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

squirrels are more frightening than charging deer, because they try twice to run through your spokes. A buddy was laughing me on a wooded greenway for ringing my bike bell at squirrels. On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 7:54:16 AM UTC-5, Lee Legrand wrote: > > Dear John, > > Did a squirrel get

[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 2:56:19 PM UTC-5, Antone Könst wrote: >  My new (to me) Cheviot is very hard to control with no hands on a flat road > with no load.  ….   Mine, too. My explanation is that the very high wheel flop requires a large amount of correction, and it's hard to apply that

Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

Dear John, Did a squirrel get stuck within the wheel while riding, causing the crack in the fork? On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 8:17 AM, John Hawrylak wrote: > > Steel, Al, Ti or Carbon??? > > John Hawrylak > Woodstown NJ

[RBW] Re: Pick your paint Hunq

dat atlantis color! On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 7:25:04 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote: > > Congrats! Love that color!! > > Tony > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

whodathunk carbon fork found its break-away safety niche On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 7:17:40 AM UTC-5, John Hawrylak wrote: > > > Steel, Al, Ti or Carbon??? > > John Hawrylak > Woodstown NJ > >> >> > -- You received this message

[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

Steel, Al, Ti or Carbon??? John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

Steve Well Stated. Do you use the safety tabs with the metal fenders?? John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

Excellent point, Andy. I have indeed noticed my Racing Ralphs are excellent at not collecting much mud or snow and then rapidly throwing off any that does get on. I suspect a combination of tread pattern and compound. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 5:04:24 AM UTC-6, ascpgh

[RBW] Re: Pick your paint Hunq

Congrats! Love that color!! Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send

Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

Tread compounds vary in affinity to mud and snow. I'm sure there is some intention to that attribute. I had a set of Tioga Route 66 "mud" tires that , despite a full knobby pattern, didn't fill in and accumulate mud. The unintentional benefit I discovered was that snow didn't stick either. A

[RBW] Re: CETMA rack and Sackville ShopSack

On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 9:51:36 AM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote: > > >

[RBW] Re: Pick your paint Hunq

Looks amazing!! On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 11:28:17 PM UTC-5, Michael in SF wrote: > > > > > > >

[RBW] Re: Pick your paint Hunq

I love the Atlantis paint but if I was getting a Hunqapillar, I would have it painted like one that showed up on Gravel & Grind's pages: My second