[RBW] Re: Finding out how a Bike's Performance Changes with Changes to Components

2018-10-28 Thread Joe Bernard
Hey, at least y'all didn't buy a WHOLE BIKE to find out you're not into low trail. Don't be like me! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: WTB: Binder bolt

2018-10-28 Thread Joe Bernard
Nope. No hacksaw, nothing to hold the bolt with if I had a hacksaw. I'll just live with the long one 'til I get tired of looking at it, then buy the proper bolt. Did you know MIT bikes are shipped to Riv without a binder bolt? Me, neither! -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: Coverting a Rivendell to Lower Trail

2018-10-28 Thread Craig Montgomery
Hey John, I converted an early All Rounder to low trail with a new fork. Got tired of manhandling a front load with the style of touring I do. The geometry was more traditional British with a 72 seat and 73 head but the fork rake gave it something like a 60mm trail. Unladen this geometry

[RBW] Re: WTB: Binder bolt

2018-10-28 Thread Lum Gim Fong
Hacksaw. Unscrew nut off afterwards. Will clean threads. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

[RBW] Re: WTB: Binder bolt

2018-10-28 Thread Joe Bernard
Sure if I had a bolt cutting device. I don't think I own such an implement. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Finding out how a Bike's Performance Changes with Changes to Components

2018-10-28 Thread Lum Gim Fong
One reason could be that people change their setups alot around here. Another could be that every component has a good side and bad side: Supple tyres? Flats/short lived tread life Berthoud GB25 bags: amazingly functional but over 600g EMPTY and WITHOUT stiffner. Hea-vy!! Thats why i sold mine.

[RBW] Re: WTB: Binder bolt

2018-10-28 Thread Lum Gim Fong
Now Joe, you know you can cut that bolt off with the nut on it and then back out the screw and that nut’ll clean those threads on the way out. Or buy a security bolt from bicyclebolts.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.

[RBW] New Build: Yves Gomez - Drop Bar Mixte

2018-10-28 Thread Joe Bernard
Riding drops is a crime for my arthritic wrist, but that looks so cool! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Finding out how a Bike's Performance Changes with Changes to Components

2018-10-28 Thread Bill Schairer
I’m always a bit surprised at all the stuff I see up for sale here, particularly all the stuff that is so great but seems to be available with very little use. I keep wondering if it is so great why do I always see the stuff up for sale. All my stuff tends to stick with me for life (thus

[RBW] Re: Finding out how a Bike's Performance Changes with Changes to Components

2018-10-28 Thread Lum Gim Fong
As for the industry: They will tell you what a product is supposed to do for you but you won’t know if true or false until you use the component yourself. This, of course, is after you have bought the item. So best thing is to research what a product is told will do for you, then read reviews

[RBW] Re: Finding out how a Bike's Performance Changes with Changes to Components

2018-10-28 Thread Lum Gim Fong
Charles Pliesse at College Park Bikes in College Park MD will help you with options. Former rivdealer. He knows where we are coming from. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

[RBW] New Build: Yves Gomez - Drop Bar Mixte

2018-10-28 Thread Lum Gim Fong
You need a bike license plate on the saddle that says: “Riding drops is not a crime.”. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] New Build: Yves Gomez - Drop Bar Mixte

2018-10-28 Thread Lum Gim Fong
Yes!!!Yes!!!Yes!!! Baddest mixte I ever seen!!! Drops on a mixte Yes! About time people started revisiting this!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send

[RBW] Re: Finding out how a Bike's Performance Changes with Changes to Components

2018-10-28 Thread Brewster Fong
On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 4:22:42 AM UTC-7, Steve Cole wrote: > > So my question is what can the bike industry do to help cyclists better > understand the component choices they have and the effects on riding will > be with different components? > Lol, there is or use to be a place

[RBW] Re: Finding out how a Bike's Performance Changes with Changes to Components

2018-10-28 Thread Lum Gim Fong
Very costly to experiment and laborious if you do the wrenching yourself. Lets say you wanted to try dyno lights fenders and a front bag: $550 for dyno front wheel custom built $80 for front rack (and thats a cheaper rack) 100-250$ for decent headlight that will never shine as good as the online

Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Little Silver Clem

2018-10-28 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
Well, most 12 year olds aren’t as small as Ethan, and the same can be said of my younger son for his age. Maybe if I bought meat fed/treated with hormones and antibiotics? More sugar? I don’t know, but these have been my theories. The genes on both sides code for tall people, so I think he’ll

[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Little Silver Clem

2018-10-28 Thread dougP
Leah: Thanks for following up on the adventure. I really like his comment on the shifters: "They don't have any numbers to show what gear I'm in so I do it by feel, and it's all the more fun to try to figure it" For people who can't imagine friction shifting: A 12yo figured it out & likes

[RBW] Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

2018-10-28 Thread Lum Gim Fong
How is it going up hill? Does it bog down and lose momentum quickly or keep gliding along with your pedal strokes? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Little Silver Clem

2018-10-28 Thread Patrick Moore
Leah: great overview and interview, though I do think I heard some leading questions. Anyway, nice bike, nice kid, at least to judge both by looks. Patrick "are 12-year-olds really that small?" Moore On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 4:58 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! < jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote: >

[RBW] Re: FS: Three Sackville Saddlesacks and two Nitto R-14 rear racks (with tombstone)

2018-10-28 Thread Bill Lindsay
Both Mediums claimed, and one rack claimed. Only the Saddlesack Large and rack are available. On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 1:02:07 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > I've got some extra rear saddlesacks that I would like to make available > to you. > > 1. Sackville Saddlesack Large,

[RBW] Ride Report: Little Silver Clem

2018-10-28 Thread Joe Bernard
"It is a stallion, not a pony." I love that kid!  -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post

[RBW] FS: Various Parts - Sugino, Brand V, Rivet, etc.

2018-10-28 Thread Kieran J
Hi, I have a few parts dug out of the drawers that may be of interest to some. All prices do NOT include shipping. I can ship to Canada and the US via Canada Post/USPS. - MKS Sylan touring pedals. OK shape, bearings need some grease. $15. - Sugino Alpina 2 double crankset.

[RBW] Re: Finding out how a Bike's Performance Changes with Changes to Components

2018-10-28 Thread Drw
Ugh, I’m in the middle of one of these episodes right now. Im also about 300$ further in than I expected. Usually I can recoup some loss by reselling, so that’s some consolation. Curiosity stings. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch"

[RBW] New Build: Yves Gomez - Drop Bar Mixte

2018-10-28 Thread Bill Lindsay
APPROVE. BL in EC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: Finding out how a Bike's Performance Changes with Changes to Components

2018-10-28 Thread LeRoy
But wait, you've left us hanging! Your story had a fine beginning, an enticing middle, but no ending. What happened? How did the switch to Bullmoose bars suit you? I'll not be able to sleep tonight unless you run on a bit longer... Leroy -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: FS/FT: Nitto, Tubus, VO, saddlebag support, Birkenstocks, Portola, Showers pass

2018-10-28 Thread Drw
90mm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: FS/FT: Nitto, Tubus, VO, saddlebag support, Birkenstocks, Portola, Showers pass

2018-10-28 Thread Jonathan D.
What is the length of the Cigne stem? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group,

[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Little Silver Clem

2018-10-28 Thread C Sharp
Lovely ride report, Leah! Thanks for sharing! I echo Doug's sentiments -- glad to know that someone like Ethan gets to enjoy such a bike! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

[RBW] Re: FS/FT: Nitto, Tubus, VO, saddlebag support, Birkenstocks, Portola, Showers pass

2018-10-28 Thread Drw
EDIT: Showers pass jacket is SMALL not medium -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Little Silver Clem

2018-10-28 Thread DarinM
Great interview, sounds like he's hooked! He also seems very aware and grateful for the generosity that came his way. It's great to see a bike bringing such joy! Darin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from

[RBW] Ride Report: Little Silver Clem

2018-10-28 Thread Doug H.
Wow, makes me appreciate the little things about a bicycle. Thank you for sharing this awesome story and you obviously have a smart young man wise beyond his years on your hands Leah. Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.

[RBW] New Build: Yves Gomez - Drop Bar Mixte

2018-10-28 Thread David B
After trying some upright bars on a new-to-me 60cm Yves Gomez, I felt like the reach was shorter than ideal, especially compared to my Clem. So, I picked up a stem cheaply to go with some drop bars and got this set up this weekend. The fit is pretty much spot on, and I think it ended up

[RBW] Re: WTB: Binder bolt

2018-10-28 Thread Joe Bernard
This is helpful info. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send

[RBW] Re: WTB: Binder bolt

2018-10-28 Thread DarinM
Joe, There is only one thread pitch for M6 bolts. You can use the too long bolt you have as long as it doesn't cause any other problems, like getting caught on you clothes. The bolt on my Atlantis is 22mm, which I'd bet works for just about every Riv ever and is available at every bike shop

Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

2018-10-28 Thread John Hawrylak
Lum Glad to hear they we OS. The 8-5-8 OS is same rigidity as 10-7-10 STD or like Columbus Tenax tubing. The 6-4-6 OS is like 8-6-8 STD. So a 0.1 mm wall decrease helps with the planning. Just be careful of denting on the DT, J Heine claims walls of < 0.5mm tend to dent, especially the DT.

[RBW] WTB: Clem Smith L 52 Grilver

2018-10-28 Thread Doug H.
One bump only folks. If you bought the wrong size or have buyers regret I’m in the market. Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] For Sale in Seattle: Nitto, Nigel Smythe, Velo-Orange, Gran Bois, MB-3

2018-10-28 Thread Doug H.
Rob, I’m not able to reply privately on my iPhone. Could you email me at dhansford1967 at gmail dot com? Thanks, Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

Re: [RBW] Re: For Sale in Seattle: Nitto, Nigel Smythe, Velo-Orange, Gran Bois, MB-3

2018-10-28 Thread Rob Harrison
Good point! It’s a 1991 model, 21 1/2” center of crank to top of top tube, which I believe is how the sizes are listed in the catalog. https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1991/pages/bridgestone-1991-15.htm I have everything that came stock with the bike except for the saddle, pedals and

Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

2018-10-28 Thread Jonathan D.
I have a Joe and test rode the MIT atlantis. The MIT Atlantis actually reminded me of the Sam hillborne with the difference being 650B. I think it is the shorter top tube. Personally I preferred the MIT Atlantis with the shorter top tube and 650B to my current Joe. The Joe will probably go up

[RBW] FS: Three Sackville Saddlesacks and two Nitto R-14 rear racks (with tombstone)

2018-10-28 Thread Bill Lindsay
I've got some extra rear saddlesacks that I would like to make available to you. 1. Sackville Saddlesack Large, Olive. I bought this from Rivendell in late 2009. It's the old original version with the metal badge and the original leather bottom. It has some basic beausage but is in great

[RBW] WTB: Binder bolt

2018-10-28 Thread Joe Bernard
Needed for a NIB Appaloosa frame I just picked up (thanks, Dave!), no bolt in the box. I think it's an M6 (fits a 5mm Allen key), but I'm not good at knowing length and pitch for this type of thing for buying online. Anybody got an extra? I have the nut (and a too long bolt), just need the

[RBW] Re: Coverting a Rivendell to Lower Trail

2018-10-28 Thread John Hawrylak
Garth Thanks for the BQ article. Very informative. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 8:25:26 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote: > >This is worth reading > http://normaali.net/temp/Front-End-Geometry.pdf > > If you really want to do this and work with someone who

Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

2018-10-28 Thread Lum Gim Fong
JohnThe 858 i rode were all rivendell os tubing Roadeo is 646 os -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

2018-10-28 Thread Ash
Hi Edgar, Joe is 51cm. Atlantis feels more nimble and quicker to pick up speed. Also relatively stiffer. Joe A is more comfortable overall. It seems to absorb road impressions better than my Atlantis. Perhaps because the frame is slightly bigger. The tubing might be thinner than Atlantis

[RBW] Re: threadless stem/steerer question

2018-10-28 Thread Drw
So many good ideas. The seatpost shim is great thinking. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

[RBW] Re: For Sale in Seattle: Nitto, Nigel Smythe, Velo-Orange, Gran Bois, MB-3

2018-10-28 Thread Bill Lindsay
Rob I didn't see any photos of the MB-3. Your prospective buyer will certainly want to know the frame size so they can decide whether to reach out to you for more information. Bill On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 10:11:06 PM UTC-7, Rob wrote: > > All items OBO, and plus the actual cost of

Re: [RBW] Re: Coverting a Rivendell to Lower Trail

2018-10-28 Thread bruce.herbit...@gmail.com
Thank for posting Garth. Interesting. My Waterford has 2 forks with different rakes and brakes that allow 2 wheel sizes. There is a definate difference in handling when you change any of those. On Sunday, October 28, 2018, 7:25:31 AM CDT, Garth wrote:    This is worth reading  

[RBW] Re: threadless stem/steerer question

2018-10-28 Thread Coal Bee Rye Anne
I should add that this all interests me because of a tentative 1” threadless conversion of my own. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: threadless stem/steerer question

2018-10-28 Thread Coal Bee Rye Anne
Ha, of course, a properly spec’d seatpost shim would certainly be the most straight forward. Thanks for sharing! It’s funny ‘cause I’ve previously looked for certain seatpost shim sizes only to find they don’t seem to exist... but never needed a 25.4 to 28.6 like this. Because I’ve kind of

[RBW] Re: Coverting a Rivendell to Lower Trail

2018-10-28 Thread Garth
This is worth reading http://normaali.net/temp/Front-End-Geometry.pdf If you really want to do this and work with someone who experience adding a new fork on existing frames, and not just out of mere curiosity or thinking you can save a buck by not buying another frame that handles

[RBW] Coverting a Rivendell to Lower Trail

2018-10-28 Thread Fullylugged
Just changing the wheel size or forks with different rake will change your trail. I found that converting my Road to 650B decreased the trail and it felt very squirrelly at first. Once used to it, I love the faster handling and have no trouble with it. My Ram still has the higher factory trail

[RBW] Finding out how a Bike's Performance Changes with Changes to Components

2018-10-28 Thread Steve Cole
John Hawrylak posted recently about converting a Riv Bike to low trail. Joe Bernard replied that he had done this only to find out he did not like low trail and that it was a little costly to find this out. Boy, did this resonate with me. I have found it nearly impossible to understand the

[RBW] Re: Coverting a Rivendell to Lower Trail

2018-10-28 Thread iamkeith
Group member René had both an Atlantis and a Hunquapillar with low trail forks. And I believe he shared experiences well. If you use his name as part of the search terms, you'll probably find some good info and pics as well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the