I'm healing from Surgery. My bike rides are now limited to coffee shops and
dining with the wife. My ride is no longer my comfy long distance tours (until
next year). So for the comfy daily ride I switched to a nice Celeste Bianchi
Milanno that fits perfect for these rides. Then I dreamed of the
> I think (from what the marketing looks like at least) that they are
trying to penetrate the market that sees Brooks saddles as
> "precious."
Which never made sense to me. A little proofide once a year and the things
will last fifty years easy.
> All are only partly right but are myths t
I think (from what the marketing looks like at least) that they are trying
to penetrate the market that sees Brooks saddles as "precious." There are a
lot of people that think you cant get them wet, they need constant
maintenance and take 3 years to get comfortable. All are only partly right
but a
A comment meant as nothing more than a dramatic attempt to demonstrate why
many people are in fact willing to pay a premium for a non-leather hammock
saddle. In hindsight I should have used one of those evil winky faces with
those terms to make clear I had no intent to poke anyone in the eye.
*I will point out that several people reading the list reached out to me
off line saying they would be very happy to use a quality hammock saddle
made without leather.*
I will point out that nobody was arguing against the idea. You're the one
who brought up "dead animals" in a thread about th
You are misreading my original post on the topic if you think I am arguing
that all shell saddles are uncomfortable. Rather, I said that Cambium
gives hope to those of us who find shell saddles uncomfortable and prefer
not to buy leather products. I will point out that several people reading
No one will deny you your preferences, for Brooks type saddles or for
vegetarian eating. No one will deny that plastic saddles hurt you and wear
out quickly for you. One will and must deny your reasoning that, because it
is is so for you, it is so universally in the absence of any further
presente
> Not sure about a "stain factor," but one tester on one of the forums
> said the rough textured surface destroyed a pair of bib shorts.
All the more reason to support sales of the Cambium if it gets some of the
many who should not be wearing bibs in public out of them and into
comfortable loo
On Tue, 2013-06-18 at 16:07 -0700, Chris Halasz wrote:
> I'm wondering what the pant stain factor of the Cambium may be.
>
> Some of my Brooks saddles have been OK this way, some less so.
>
> Also wondering about the breathability or thermal experience in warm weather.
>
> And shellacking of
:-) Given that there are about 200 in the wild right now it's a long shot,
at least on this list. As far as I know I'm the only one on
RBW-owners-bunch who owns one.
Aloha,
Bob
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Jimmy Hutch wrote:
> WTB: Brooks Cambium C17
>
> -Jimmy
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On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Chris Halasz wrote:
> I'm wondering what the pant stain factor of the Cambium may be.
> Also wondering about the breathability or thermal experience in warm
> weather.
>
I've got the natural color model and as one might expect, haven't stained
my pants. The wo
I'm wondering what the pant stain factor of the Cambium may be.
Some of my Brooks saddles have been OK this way, some less so.
Also wondering about the breathability or thermal experience in warm weather.
And shellacking of the cotton weave will not be allowed!
Chris
Tucson, AZ
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Exactly what proof would you need. To watch me and hundreds of other hammock
saddle fans squirm while riding plastic saddles.
I've tried dozens of models over the years. For a while I thought the Fizik
Ronin [sp?] was going to be the one. The padding wore down in less than a
month. Surface
This is funny. Last year, right about this time, it was when Rapha had just
introduced their new shoes made out of Yak leather. I was peacefully riding my
B17'ed Sam when approached from behind by a large group of fast/racer types. As
the group sped by me, a guy on a Colnago yelled for everyone
I'm going to have a nice steak tonight.
If there is one thing that annoys, it is badly reasoned yet still pompous
self righteousness.
Don't eat animal products if you don't like to. Good Hindus don't, and good
Orthodox monks don't, either. They have good reasons, but they don't assume
a pose of p
??? 25K miles at least? Hardly short. Uncomfortable? Proof? Again 25 k
miles over the years? My first Flite from circa 1990 that has been on half
a dozen bikes with 7 k on the last one? Not to mention all the other Flites
I've put thousands of miles on? And this is just one particular model of
plas
How sad that this is getting so off topic right when the “off topic” veers
into territory that I (possessing both philosophy and political science
degrees) am qualified to comment on. J The vegan choice is a moral choice;
often motivated by religion (of course, religion and morals often
int
Food isn't vegan, actually. All the woodland creatures displaced and
slaughtered in the plowing and maintenance of those grain fields. Short of
growing all my own food using only hand tools very slowly, I can't figure
out how I could eat a truly vegan diet.
And it is absolutely a moral judgemen
a snickers bar isn't vegansorry couldn't resist.
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Scott Henry wrote:
> Gentlemen, take your panties, pull them out and untwist them.
>
> Not sure how a persons dietary choices are thought of as political.
> Barry, nor George, could care less what you eat.
>
Gentlemen, take your panties, pull them out and untwist them.
Not sure how a persons dietary choices are thought of as political.
Barry, nor George, could care less what you eat.
Go step away from the computer and have a Snicker's bar, some of you get
cranky when you are hungry.
Its a seat, you
I was just thinking that I hope Riv gets a few of these saddles in stock.
They have been supportive of Brooks as a brand and cyclists who want
alternatives to leather products in the past so it seems plausible. I
don't need a new saddle but I am curious how this compares to my Brooks.
FWIW
The thread was started by a person actually using the saddle, which is
where discussions of comfort come in. You are injecting politics into it,
then pretending you're not. I'm quite well versed in the tactics of
political debate on the internet, and know the semantics game. I'm done
with this.
On Tue, 2013-06-18 at 10:56 -0500, Matthew Joly wrote:
> Arguing comfort or lack thereof of something one has never used is not
> disingenuous?
Isn't that exactly what you are doing? I say again, the world is full
of platic saddles. Most cyclists find them comfortable. If you haven't
found on
Because it's fun to watch the histrionics:
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bavsss.htm
Cheers,
David
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Joe Bernard wrote:
> The thread was started by a person actually using the saddle, which is
> where discussions of comfort come in. You are injecting politics
Arguing comfort or lack thereof of something one has never used is not
disingenuous?
Your argument is the lack of leather should lower the market value of the
product. My response is to show there is in fact a significant market that
values the lack of leather.
Zappos, to name one large com
*There are a growing number of prosperous vegans in the UK, US, EU, and of
course India, who like nice things without dead animals in them. The
majority is not yet enlightened, but we are growing and we are very willing
to spend our money on products that don't need to kill an animal to make.*
Apparently you have not been following the earlier discussions on the
Cambium.
Yes, mainstream saddles are frequently plastic. I and others interested in
leather free alternatives to quality Brooks and Berthoud saddles have said
and this and other bicycle forums that the plastic saddles all t
On Tue, 2013-06-18 at 06:34 -0700, Matthew J wrote:
> Actually not politics at all.
I disagree. When I read about veganism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganism it's all politics. Using the
word is invoking politics.
Why "Vegan" for this saddle, and not any of the many, many plastic
saddles on
Made in the UK AFAIK.
On Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16:48 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
>
> I worked in a Vegan restaurant for a long time (a lot of fixed gear bikes)
> and the owner made it a point not to make the non-vegans feel like they
> were baby killing satan worshippers. I would imagine the smar
Actually not politics at all.
The nternet combined with inexpensive global shipping is changing the world
of commerce. Companies that know how to take advantage of both make money
products targetting global niche markets. Vegan products make up a
growing, multi-million market. Brooks is joi
On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 22:24 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> Its too narrow for my fat ass. If they make a wide one in a year or
> two I will give it a look. Should come in somewhat cheaper than the
> standard offerings considering its made of rubber and cotton.
Yes, exactly like this.
>
>
> On M
Its too narrow for my fat ass. If they make a wide one in a year or two I
will give it a look. Should come in somewhat cheaper than the standard
offerings considering its made of rubber and cotton.
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> Wouldn't it be nice to discuss this sa
Wouldn't it be nice to discuss this saddle on the basis of its merits
rather than all this /politics/?
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I worked in a Vegan restaurant for a long time (a lot of fixed gear bikes)
and the owner made it a point not to make the non-vegans feel like they
were baby killing satan worshippers. I would imagine the smart people at
Brooks would do the same and not market this as a "this saddle will make
you sl
Yes, you've gone out of your way to impress upon me your vegan ways, and
the error of mine. I'm not interested in the politics of leather Brooks
saddles, but thanks for playing.
On Monday, June 17, 2013 6:27:33 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:
> There are a growing number of prosperous vegans in the
There are a growing number of prosperous vegans in the UK, US, EU, and of
course India, who like nice things without dead animals in them. The
majority is not yet enlightened, but we are growing and we are very willing
to spend our money on products that don't need to kill an animal to make.
A
Hmm, good point. Although calling 1000 non-leather Brooks saddles "limited"
is pushing the concept, in my opinion. I'm not at all convinced there's
much of a market for one.
Joe "I've been wrong before" Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
On Monday, June 17, 2013 5:56:28 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote:
> Actual
Actually my reading of the letter is that their first production run is
going to be a limited edition at 145 quid. These will all be numbered. I
would suspect that sales after the limited edition will be less expensive.
"Now, on Monday 17th June, a specially dedicated website for the new
Cambium S
Hmm. I assumed this would be an attempt to make a Brooks saddle more
accessible to the masses, both in construction and price. I don't think the
market is hollering for a Brooks just as pricey as the leather ones, but
without the leather. An odd decision, in my opinion.
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA
New Brooks mail today - 145 quid for this saddle. that's the same price as
a Select Grade B17, etc. Looks like the wrong end of the market to me.
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I'm a new Riv owner ('97 Road) and will be riding Thurs, Fri, and Sat of my
first RAGBRAI this year.
Tim
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:25 AM, Joe Bernard wrote:
> Thanks, I found that and a couple others with that newfangled Googley
> thing you kids talk so much about. I've always like th
Thanks, I found that and a couple others with that newfangled Googley thing
you kids talk so much about. I've always like those little foldy/take-apart
bikes, but never bothered to look for a forum before.
On Monday, June 10, 2013 9:17:49 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote:
> No, there is only the RBW
No, there is only the RBW owners bunch list. But if another list existed
and if it were about Bike Fridays more information would be available here :
http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak
Aloha,
Bob
On Jun 10, 2013 6:07 PM, "Joe Bernard" wrote:
> There's a Bike Friday list?
>
> On Mo
There's a Bike Friday list?
On Monday, June 10, 2013 8:06:38 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote:
> I've now moved the C-17 over to my Quickbeam. After the demise of my
> Hunq's rear wheel it seemed to be the right move. I put in about 12 miles
> so far today and, once again, the saddle was good. And as
I've now moved the C-17 over to my Quickbeam. After the demise of my Hunq's
rear wheel it seemed to be the right move. I put in about 12 miles so far
today and, once again, the saddle was good. And as I'd moved the entire
seat post I didn't really have to spend any time get the angle right.
http:/
I'm setting up two bikes for easy rides this month. A bit of rest this year and
simple rides to local shops with the wife. The Touring bike has to wait for
next year. The new Brooks Saddle looks made for the bikes I'm building! Finally
Getting my wife to enjoy rides with me! My Brooks love conti
I was chosen as one of the first 100 folks to receive a Brooks Cambium C-17
saddle. Mine just arrived today and while I haven't yet mounted it on a
bike (probably my daily ride, the Hunq), I did take some pictures to "prove
it happened."
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157633977211833
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