[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-06 Thread Beth H
I'd say shockingly incoherent, even with sleep deprivation. I had to read it twice to be clear on what was being conveyed. Wow. ..::shakes head::.. At least I know I'm not the only sleeping porrly these days. --Beth On Apr 6, 12:18 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > An unusually incoherent post from Gr

[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-06 Thread grant
Well, the only thing that should've thrown anybody was the last line or two...the rest...easy. Still, it was written at 3am. The "take-home" content is "Normal Jean." G On Apr 6, 12:18 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > An unusually incoherent post from Grant, > here:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_po

[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-06 Thread Philip Williamson
I thought it was coherent and flowy - should I be worried? It's true, though, that I have been trying to add commas, clauses and parenthetical comments back into my own writing since I read it, so maybe I should. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Apr 6, 12:26 pm, Beth H wrote: >

[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-06 Thread Mike S
Beautility is where it's at. Beaunction is a pretty kludgy term. On Apr 6, 10:46 pm, Philip Williamson wrote: > I thought it was coherent and flowy - should I be worried? It's true, > though, that I have been trying to add commas, clauses and > parenthetical comments back into my own writing sinc

[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-06 Thread charlie
Well G you seem to be one cool dude regardless so my hat goes off to you..when are the Simple Ones going to show on the website ? On Apr 6, 12:49 pm, grant wrote: > Well, the only thing that should've thrown anybody was the last line > or two...the rest...easy. Still, it was written at 3a

[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-06 Thread rw1911
I wouldn't read too much in to it. Regardless of the circumstances at the time of the post, the message (or my interpretation is) that while perhaps not the sexiest and definitely not carbon, we make some well thought out and good sh*t for those who care about these things. (most if not all on this

[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-06 Thread Frank Quan
After reading Grant's article, I feel better about myself. I was feeling little guilty after visiting website after website with pictures of clean shiny bikes with Carradice bags, Nitto racks, Honjo fenders, etc. My bikes always have, at a minimum, a layer of dust on them. Two of my three bikes

[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-07 Thread scott
"My bikes always have, at a minimum, a layer of dust on them. Two of my three bikes (not my Rivendell) have mismatched tires or wheels. And I don't even want to mention the torn bar tape. " All bikes should look this way! A lubed chain keeps a bike happy, the rest is vanity. Oops, did I say

[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-07 Thread Beth H
On Apr 7, 4:43 am, scott wrote: > "My bikes always have, at a minimum, a layer of dust on > them.   Uh-oh. Are they being ridden enough? ..::grin::.. Most of my beausage happens when I grow attached to a particular component or accessory on my bike and I take measures to repair it so it will las

[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-07 Thread Scott G.
On Apr 7, 11:53 am, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Now I do live in a > dry climate, but mine get washed about 3 times a year. (I am very > careful about keeping the drivetrain cleaned and lubed.) I am too busy > fixing flats to clean them more often than that. I live in a wetter climate and ride GB tir

[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-07 Thread Rick
I confess to admiring some of the purty show bikes from NAHBS, regularly visit the current classics section on cyclofiend's site, and admire the looks of my Rivs quite a bit, but I just don't have it in me to keep my bikes presentation-quality. Last time I tried to get the Atlantis seriously clean

[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-07 Thread William
What if something is both beautiful and kludgy? Is it beauludgy? Barf On Apr 7, 10:34 am, CycloFiend wrote: > on 4/7/11 8:53 AM, PATRICK MOORE at bertin...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Just for the record: my interest in the text and my reason for > > referring to it was not the writing style but the

[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-07 Thread doug peterson
My Atlantis only gets cleaned a few times a year, usually after a tour as part of the re-assembly process. It looks so nice all shiny'n'spiffy, before I start hanging racks'n'packs back on, I keep telling myself "gotta take a good picture for cyclofiend's Atlantis site". Been working on that for

[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-07 Thread Lynne Fitz
What the Bleriot has been known to look like: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/2134762170/ After THAT ride, it took a fair amount of fortitude to clean it up... On Apr 6, 3:31 pm, Frank Quan wrote: > After reading Grant's article, I feel better about myself.  I was > feeling little guilty

[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-07 Thread Mojo
> I am surprised by the many photos I see of bikes that are showroom > floor clean. Either they are not ridden, or, more likely, the owners > spend as much time cleaning them as riding them. Now I do live in a > dry climate... Quite the assumption Patrick. Cleaning a bike takes about as much time

[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-07 Thread William
Love the copper Legolas! Next color choice I have on a bike, I must consider copper. On Apr 7, 2:13 pm, Mojo wrote: > > I am surprised by the many photos I see of bikes that are showroom > > floor clean. Either they are not ridden, or, more likely, the owners > > spend as much time cleaning them

[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-07 Thread William
One morning I got to Riv HQ ten minutes before they openned. There was Mark, Vaughn, Mile and Robert, sharing the two workstands moved out to the tarmac and one huge bucket and going at their filthy 'crossers with brushes. It was very zen, like that opening to Sunday in Hell. They were doing the

[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-07 Thread William
I stopped paying attention at 'metaphysically' and slipped into a coma at 'pulchritudinem'. Next time talk into my good ear. On Apr 7, 3:56 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > It is metaphysically (literally) impossible for something to be kludgy > in the sense of badly designed and to be at the same tim

[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-07 Thread Bill M.
Five pictures of the Legolas, five different saddle bags! Forget about cleaning, when do you find time to organize your bag collection? :) On Apr 7, 2:13 pm, Mojo wrote: > > I am surprised by the many photos I see of bikes that are showroom > > floor clean. Either they are not ridden, or, more l

[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-07 Thread Mojo
That is the Legolas group, and only the newest two pictures, and two bags, are my bike. On Apr 7, 6:42 pm, "Bill M." wrote: > Five pictures of the Legolas, five different saddle bags! Forget about > cleaning, when do you find time to organize your bag collection?  :) > > On Apr 7, 2:13 pm, Mojo

[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-07 Thread rob markwardt
il 07, 2011 4:41 PM > To: rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.cpesom; Eric Norris > Cc: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction > > Quoting Eric Norris : > > > I often hear comments about how clean my bikes are, usually given in   > &g

Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-06 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Ah, Beth, not "shocking" -- we all have our incoherent moments. There is a message and it (IME) is worth proclaiming. Best of luck to all of you who suffer from insomnia: I suffered from it horribly in my 20s (think: 3 weeks of 2 hours until you were so wired you could not function or relax) and s

Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-07 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Just for the record: my interest in the text and my reason for referring to it was not the writing style but the message: don't obsess over the looks of your bikes, they are meant for riding, though riding has no quarrel with looks. I am surprised by the many photos I see of bikes that are showroo

Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-07 Thread CycloFiend
on 4/7/11 8:53 AM, PATRICK MOORE at bertin...@gmail.com wrote: > Just for the record: my interest in the text and my reason for > referring to it was not the writing style but the message: don't > obsess over the looks of your bikes, they are meant for riding, though > riding has no quarrel with l

Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-07 Thread Eric Norris
I often hear comments about how clean my bikes are, usually given in a tone that suggests that I need serious therapy to deal with whatever issues I have ... That being said, I agree with Mojo that it's not really that hard to keep a bike clean. I wash my bikes with hot soapy water if they get

Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-07 Thread palincss
Quoting Eric Norris : I often hear comments about how clean my bikes are, usually given in a tone that suggests that I need serious therapy to deal with whatever issues I have ... That being said, I agree with Mojo that it's not really that hard to keep a bike clean. I wash my bikes wi

Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-07 Thread PATRICK MOORE
It is metaphysically (literally) impossible for something to be kludgy in the sense of badly designed and to be at the same time and in the same respect beautiful, since beauty implies order and harmony among the parts -- ie, that is part of what it is to be beautiful, at least in composite things.

Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-07 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I know, I was just kidding -- I can clean a bike in about five minutes, with soap and hose (chain and lubing take a bit longer). I too clean mine after being caught in a shower, but that is rather rare out here. On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Mojo wrote: > >> I am surprised by the many photos I

RE: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction

2011-04-07 Thread Kelly Sleeper
PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.cpesom; Eric Norris Cc: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction Quoting Eric Norris : > I often hear comments about how clean my bikes are, usually given in > a tone that suggests that I need serious therapy t