[RBW] Re: Is XT THAT much better than Deore?

2011-06-17 Thread Joe Bernard
I'm a derailer snob. I prefer XT and Ultegra because..um..I just do. Not necessarily the current versions, though. Any old piece in nice condition will do. I've been looking for a mid-'90s 8-speed-era XT for a while now. Yes, there's a current "normal pull" LX. I recently bought one from a trike r

[RBW] Re: Is XT THAT much better than Deore?

2011-06-17 Thread Scotty
Thanks for all of the good responses to my question. I feel confident in my decision now. Waiting for my bike has given me plenty of time to second guess just about every part of my new bike, and I haven’t even gotten a look at it yet. I think I am finally done second guessing. I am going to leave

[RBW] Re: Is XT THAT much better than Deore?

2011-06-17 Thread EricP
Happen to like the modern Deore just fine. Have used a modern XT. It shifts more crisply in index mode. At least on bar ends on non paved roads. Otherwise the regular Deore and LX are good rear derailers. Like Beth, I use a cheap Shimano for the front on my Sam Hillborne. Works just fine with

[RBW] Re: Is XT THAT much better than Deore?

2011-06-17 Thread Montclair BobbyB
I absolutely love the older Shimano XTRs... used of course... Well made, flawless shifting, and for the price of even a new LX or Deore you CAN find a deal on a used XTR. Also the older (late 80s/early 90s) Deore derailleurs (as were the first gen "Deerhead" types, but typically more spendy) were

Re: [RBW] Re: Is XT THAT much better than Deore?

2011-06-17 Thread Bertin753
Thanks. Hard to keep up with all the changes. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Eric Daume wrote: > 2. - LX is out of Shimano's mountain range in the US, replaced by SLX (LX is > now a Euro trekking group). Shimano's mountain heirarchy is XTR, XT, SLX, > Deore. > > Eric > >

Re: [RBW] Re: Is XT THAT much better than Deore?

2011-06-17 Thread Eric Daume
2. - LX is out of Shimano's mountain range in the US, replaced by SLX (LX is now a Euro trekking group). Shimano's mountain heirarchy is XTR, XT, SLX, Deore. Eric On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:23 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Tangential questions: > > 1. Aren't the high end lines now relatively more

[RBW] Re: Is XT THAT much better than Deore?

2011-06-17 Thread William
The horrible thing about the latest XT rear derailleurs is the lack of a barrel adjuster. Even using friction, I prefer to have one for the rear der. Using downtube or barcon index, no barrel adjuster is unforgivable in my opinion. Yeah, Riv sells an aftermarket one, but that's a lame workaround

[RBW] Re: Is XT THAT much better than Deore?

2011-06-17 Thread Mike
> FWIW, I've always thought why should Shimano make more money off me > than the builder? I'd rather allocate a higher percentage toward > frame, fork, and wheels, and definitely skimp on the drivetrain. > Drivetrain components are wear items anyway, they will be replaced > sooner or later. > > Reg

[RBW] Re: Is XT THAT much better than Deore?

2011-06-17 Thread Allan in Portland
"buying a very expensive bike and why skimp on the parts," FWIW, I've always thought why should Shimano make more money off me than the builder? I'd rather allocate a higher percentage toward frame, fork, and wheels, and definitely skimp on the drivetrain. Drivetrain components are wear items anyw

Re: [RBW] Re: Is XT THAT much better than Deore?

2011-06-17 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Tangential questions: 1. Aren't the high end lines now relatively more expensive compared to low end lines than they were 20 years ago when XT ruled the roost? I see $250+ rds in catalogues (along with $900 cranks and $300 cassettes). IIRC, top-of-line XT and XTR originally both maxed out at sub $

[RBW] Re: Is XT THAT much better than Deore?

2011-06-17 Thread Beth H
Seriously, it depends on whether you're running index or friction. If friction, it does. not. matter. My front derailleur on my All-Rounder is an old Shimano Alivio that I rescued from the metal recycling bin. A co-worker had tossed it for being a little rusty. I scraped off the rust, cleaned and l

[RBW] Re: Is XT THAT much better than Deore?

2011-06-17 Thread Minh
This is a bad list to ask this kind of question because lots of us still use deore stuff from the late 80's! or Suntour XC stuff even! that said, shimano is always trying to create more demand, i think the big reason for them creating/resurrecting the deore like was so that they could raise the pri

[RBW] Re: Is XT THAT much better than Deore?

2011-06-17 Thread Mike
I doubt I'd purchase a Deore or Ultegra derailer again. My Hilsen has an LX RR derailer I picked up for $35 a few years ago and has worked flawlessly. On my LHT that I recently put together I used a brand new Deore derailer I had picked up years ago for $17 and it's great. If I were to purchase a b