[RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-28 Thread davidfrench
Hi Ray, I'm glad you're ok. Pics of the rim are really scary. It makes me think that I'll have a look at mine ! I sometimes ride this hill (living in SF) and man, it could have been worst if you were speeding. Take care ! David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

[RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-27 Thread Angus
since I ride s many hills and grades. Lots of braking. From: Sean Whelan strummer_...@yahoo.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, December 7, 2011 10:35:17 AM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure All of this talk has me

Re: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-07 Thread Sean Whelan
--- On Tue, 12/6/11, Grant Petersen gep71...@gmail.com wrote: From: Grant Petersen gep71...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 6, 2011, 2:08 AM Many of you will remember, and all of you can

Re: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-07 Thread Ray Shine
--- On Tue, 12/6/11, Grant Petersen gep71...@gmail.com wrote: From: Grant Petersen gep71...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 6, 2011, 2:08 AM Many of you will remember, and all of you can

[RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-06 Thread charlie
So I guess I'll wait to get that disc brake bicycle..the heavy duty rims sound fantastic. On Dec 5, 11:08 pm, Grant Petersen gep71...@gmail.com wrote: Many of you will remember, and all of you can relate to Keith Bontrager's maxim from the late '80s: Light Strong Inexpensive: Pick Two

Re: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-06 Thread cyclotourist
Or go disc with those rims! On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:39 AM, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote: So I guess I'll wait to get that disc brake bicycle..the heavy duty rims sound fantastic. On Dec 5, 11:08 pm, Grant Petersen gep71...@gmail.com wrote: Many of you will remember, and all of

[RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-06 Thread dougP
Ray: Is it possible for you to measure the thickness of the failed area? Even a rough idea such as half of original; quarter; or thin as a soda can may be helpful when the rest of us check our rims. Given the dimensions that Grant lists, I should pay a lot more attention to rim wear. My

Re: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-06 Thread Ray Shine
-to-point device to measure the wall thickness, but I'll try and reference scale the pix somehow. From: dougP dougpn...@cox.net To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 6, 2011 8:18:15 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim

Re: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-06 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Eric: My brother weighs within 10 lb of you and happily rides well built 32 spoke wheels with no long term (let alone short term) problems; he uses no more than 8 cogs in back, but then the same spacing and hubs serve for 9 and 10, no? Or are 8 speed/130 mm hubs stronger than 9-10 speed same?

Re: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-06 Thread Ray Shine
...@cox.net To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 6, 2011 8:18:15 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure Ray: Is it possible for you to measure the thickness of the failed area? Even a rough idea such as half of original; quarter; or thin as a soda

Re: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-06 Thread Tim McNamara
On Dec 6, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Ray Shine wrote: This will be the last time I come to this well over this issue, but here are 3 more pix of the failed rim sawn in cross-section. Pretty alarming! Look here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/8581354@N03/sets/72157628310179371/with/6467935809/

[RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-06 Thread EricP
Ray, Yeah, that sidewall looks pretty thin. Oddly enough, on the photo with the white paper back, the inside of the rim looks thin, not just the outside. Especially below the bead on the section pointed up. Patrick - am one that prefers bike stuff overbuilt, not under. Have had to learn over

Re: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-06 Thread Ray Shine
apart, as well. I'm tossing that set of rims for good. From: EricP ericpl...@aol.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 6, 2011 5:22:04 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure Ray, Yeah, that sidewall looks

Re: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-06 Thread Greg Walton
://www.flickr.com/photos/8581354@N03/sets/72157628310179371/with/6467935809/ -- *From:* dougP dougpn...@cox.net *To:* RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Tue, December 6, 2011 8:18:15 AM *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure Ray

[RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-05 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
We had a string of rim failures this summer, maybe 5-6 in just a few weeks (it seemed). All were cases of simple wear, except in Eric's case, where there was an obvious groove likely caused by a foreign object in an otherwise lightly worn rim. One guy had worn out and cracked both rims in a

Re: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-05 Thread Tim McNamara
On Dec 5, 2011, at 2:35 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: We had a string of rim failures this summer, maybe 5-6 in just a few weeks (it seemed). All were cases of simple wear, except in Eric's case, where there was an obvious groove likely caused by a foreign object in an otherwise

[RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-05 Thread Jan Heine
Like everybody else, I am glad you are OK. Next to a fork failure, a rim blowout is perhaps the worst mechanical failure. If you use your rear brake for slowing, you'll wear out rear rims in quick succession. Rear rims collect much more road grit than front ones (spray from front wheel). The grit

[RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-05 Thread EricP
Agree with Jim here - my rim failure was on a fairly new rim (less than a week old), with less than 100 miles on it. 36 spokes. Just happen to be a stone that cut really sharp and deep. Will admit to having one bike with 32 hole rims. Otherwise, everything is 36 hole. And even there I feel at

Re: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-05 Thread Tim McNamara
Lay a straightedge against the rim braking surface. As it wears, it will become concave. If it has started to actually bulge then it should be immediately removed from service and replaced because it is in active failure mode. However, the concavity can make it look like the rim is bulging

Re: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-05 Thread Ray Shine
...@bitstream.net To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, December 5, 2011 6:20:36 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure Lay a straightedge against the rim braking surface. As it wears, it will become concave. If it has started to actually bulge then it should

[RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-05 Thread Smitty-A-Go-Go
This post makes me queasy. I put old wheels on my AHH frame that I got just a few months ago. Figuring I'll save a little cash up front and buy nice wheels later. The little wear indicator isn't showing yet but the rim braking surface is well worn. Think I'll be stepping up the hunt for new

[RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-05 Thread Grant Petersen
Many of you will remember, and all of you can relate to Keith Bontrager's maxim from the late '80s: Light Strong Inexpensive: Pick Two It works to some extent with all bike parts, but even IT can't come to the rescue when the thing is just too light. Do you know the thickness of the braking

[RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-04 Thread EricP
First off - glad you are okay. Possibly could have been an overheated rim. On the other hand, had a similar rim failure early this year on my LHT (which is also a winter commuter). My LBS concluded that a small stone (or something similar) got stuck in a brake pad and quickly cut a deep groove

[RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-04 Thread grant
I've seen maybe fifteen rims fail this way, and ever time it's been caused by rock-wear, as Eric suggested. That's not to say nothing else can cause it, but that is (in my experience) the most common (100 percent) reason for it. Rim makers and tire makers build more wiggle- room into their stuffs

Re: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-04 Thread Ray Shine
not suggesting definitively that Rich built this wheel. I actually don't recall where I got it.) From: grant grant...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, December 4, 2011 6:25:09 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

[RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

2011-12-04 Thread Manuel Acosta
Looks like thin side wall issues. Same thing happened to me lucky not on a decent down. On Dec 4, 4:35 pm, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Took a nice ride across the bridge and up to Hawk Hill, planning to get home in time to catch the 49er game at the end of 1st quarter. I didn't make it.