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Much about footwear depends on the culture doing the development. Northern Europeans developed shoes with arch support over time along with soles that kept the cold at bay. Without getting into the anthropology of it, my guess is they discovered on long treks that footwear that gave some arch

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? On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Lee Legrand wrote: > Chill > > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 9:27 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > >> For the record: I was not trying, nor am I trying, nor will I try to >> refute Patrick's habits and experience. I am trying, and

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Chill On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 9:27 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > For the record: I was not trying, nor am I trying, nor will I try to > refute Patrick's habits and experience. I am trying, and will be trying, > and have been trying, to state only what I state I am trying, will

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For the record: I was not trying, nor am I trying, nor will I try to refute Patrick's habits and experience. I am trying, and will be trying, and have been trying, to state only what I state I am trying, will be trying, and have been trying to state. No more, no less. And that is: that many

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The beauty of simple is it's simple to try for yourself and decide from experience. The challenge of simple is it's very difficult to achieve given the level of "noise" -- so it is easy to think we've tried it and rejected it when really we haven't. With abandon and sardonic grins at the

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Damn, I meant, + 1 for what *David Parsons* said. Sheesh! Apparently, attention to detail has been evolved out of my constitution. On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 6:01 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > +1 to what Lee said. > > Just to add a very general comment on human ways of living: My

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+1 to what Lee said. Just to add a very general comment on human ways of living: My own practical principle is that, if people ate, sat, worked, believed, fought, loved, raised children, and so forth in certain ways for milennia, then there's a very good chance that these modes are natural and

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On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 2:16:45 PM UTC-7, Lee Legrand wrote: > > Well, there is a alot of stuff on the internet about living simple and > getting back into natural predisposition in terms of food, clothing and > health. Like the Paleo diet or barefoot shoes, or sitting on the floor >

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Orc presented the syllogism: *Since* humans have been wearing foot coverings for >10,000 years and* since* humans still wear foot coverings *then* humans aren't designed to go barefoot If that holds, then we should add: *Since* humans have been smoking for >10,000 years and* since* humans

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Here's the Lieberman link: http://www.barefootrunning.fas.harvard.edu On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 4:14:20 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > Great Question, Orc. I approach it from two perspectives. First, logic > dictates we didn't have Nike until 1964. Prior to that we had minimal > support

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Great Question, Orc. I approach it from two perspectives. First, logic dictates we didn't have Nike until 1964. Prior to that we had minimal support and cushion in shoes, though certainly a long history of raised heels and tight fit (especially for dress shoes and women's shoes). So, in human

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Well, there is a alot of stuff on the internet about living simple and getting back into natural predisposition in terms of food, clothing and health. Like the Paleo diet or barefoot shoes, or sitting on the floor instead of chairs and natural clothing. You must have seen stuff like this on the

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On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 1:28:46 PM UTC-7, Lee Legrand wrote: > > Maybe wearing shoes of some sort but I think you are rushing to discredit > him a little to quickly Orc. > I'm not so much trying to discredit him as trying to see where that argument even comes from. There have been awful

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Maybe wearing shoes of some sort but I think you are rushing to discredit him a little to quickly Orc. We may have been wearing padded shoes but we cant say it has all been healed, cushioned and confined as they are for the last 400 years. We could make arguments that shoes were invented to

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On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 11:30:46 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > Our feet weren't engineered to be cushioned, supported, formed, and > imprisoned > Cite? Humans have been wearing shoes for at least 10,000 years (and if the commentary on the net of a million lies is at all accurate,

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I should also point out, Lee, that wearing minimalist shoes or going barefoot (which requires its own transition) is a core part of floor living. Our feet weren't engineered to be cushioned, supported, formed, and imprisoned, let alone have an artificially raised heel (as nearly all standard

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I'm not familiar with any books on the topic, Lee. Perhaps I should write one. Grin. As with everything simple, it takes 5 minutes to learn, and a lifetime to live and discover. Yes, if my experience has anything to say in the matter, you will find core strength and flexibility and posture

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Just out of curiosity Deacon because I was thinking of doing something similar to that in terms of a table and trying to live more simply. Can you hook me up with books, youtube video's or resources on this kind of floor living? I still have a bed and mattress that I am attached to so I do not

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Lee, floor living is living without chairs or a modern bed/mattress. My computer is at a kneeling desk. I am either sitting cross-legged, kneeling, squatting, standing, walking, or running. Bed is a few wool blankets made into a pad on the wood floor. Why?I started because of my brain injury,

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Deacon, What do you mean by floor living? On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Ian A wrote: > Deacon: > 1) you do not look old - you look just right. > 2) certainly not ugly - that pic could be advertising literature for what > a man "should" look like. > 3) I always swing my

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Deacon: 1) you do not look old - you look just right. 2) certainly not ugly - that pic could be advertising literature for what a man "should" look like. 3) I always swing my leg high. When touring with a load on the rack, I have no problem swinging the leg over the load and over the saddle

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Ha! Floor living keeps one lithe, so it's no big deal to flip my heel over the top tube. I've no idea how much it weighs. I was surprised how smooth going it was though. Strap around the seat post from the top strap stabilized everything. The trick is to spin up the hills, too much torque and

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AWESOME! So to mount. Do you lean the bike over and step over? Swing your leg over the handlebars? or Swing your leg over the back ;-) Rack and panniers? OMG, what's the total weight? And did you make it home? Safely? Deacon, I hope I can keep up when I'm your age (or I already am your

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Got to get me a hat like that.  On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > RBW Content, so no longer off topic! Here's (5) 1"x6"x8' and (3) 2"x6"x8' > pine boards, cut in half and hauled in panniers (pus bits in the saddle > bag). >

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RBW Content, so no longer off topic! Here's (5) 1"x6"x8' and (3) 2"x6"x8' pine boards, cut in half and hauled in panniers (pus bits in the saddle bag). http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/getting-into-hand-powered-woodworking/ On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 4:43:23 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: >

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Well, I've certainly got enough "simple" coming my way next week to get me in trouble for a very long time trying to catch up with it! Grin. Sharpening: yes. Core. Essential. Basics. Takes five minutes to begin, a lifetime to learn. One of the things I've learned is that once I have the basics

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Milford sounds right. He is great. Very unassuming and very knowledgeable. He recommended the DVD to me. Getting to the "ease of working simply" takes a long time to master but it is a very mindful experience along the way. Still working toward getting there myself. The other thing to be

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John, that's precisely the joint I'm looking at for our platform beds. It's even simple enough I (think) I can figure it out. Grin. Thank you for the DVD tip. Snagged it. Are you thinking Milford at Hida Tool as the Saturday Guy? He's on my list to call. Great to hear he's so helpful. I've also

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Patrick, One other thing I thought of if you wanted to catch up on Fine Woodworking. They sell a searchable archive of all their articles since 1975. If you buy the previous year's collection, they are usually discounted. Normally, they go for about $100 but once the new disk comes out,

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I am so geeking out right now. Two things I love most, woodworking and bicycles, in the same forum! Thanks, Patrick. Although I have no desire to live on the floor, I always found this joint to be a fairly simple but strong joint for beds:

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Deacon, I'm just catching up with this thread. I'm not quite sure why you express a particular preference for Japanese hand tools. I can understand - and totally get - your desire to avoid the noise and dirt associated with power tools. As someone with a 40 year woodworking habit, I have a

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That looks pretty good. I remember reading him in Fine Woodworking and Home Furniture (RIP) and thought he was a good writer. --Tom On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 3:01:57 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > Tom, > > A good companion to "The Soul of a Tree" looks like "The Complete > Illustrated

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Tom, A good companion to "The Soul of a Tree" looks like "The Complete Illustrated Guide to Joinery." One of the reviews said: "Wanna get to the bones of the sketches in "the soul of a tree" ???" https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1561584010/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8=1 On Friday,

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Thanks, Ray. That magazine looks fantastic. here's the link for anyone interested: http://www.rothteien.com/index.htm On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 10:33:18 AM UTC-6, Ray Varella wrote: > > Patrick, > Hida tool has been mentioned, when you talk with them, ask about > the magazine

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Patrick, Hida tool has been mentioned, when you talk with them, ask about the magazine "Sukyia Living" it used to be called the Journal of Japanese Gardening. There are numerous carpenters who work in Japanese Gardening and the publisher of the magazine will furnish a list of

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Brilliant idea, Bill, and it's in the works. With our Western mindset, you'd think so, right? However, I'm not optimistic any of them contain "385 illustrated steps to the perfect basic Japanese joinery of x to y to z." It appears that among the many vast cultural differences between East and

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It all comes down to two joints, dovetail and mortise and tenon. If you can attain reasonable mastery of those you will be ready for most anything. Much more easily said than done. As for books, search Amazon for Japanese Joinery and you'll find many choices. Bill Stockton, CA On Friday,

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There must be a book on Japanese joinery. I seen on Japanese joinery for cabinet making years ago. On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 7:03 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > My general approach has become far more clear. There is plenty of > information available on Japanese tools, but not

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My general approach has become far more clear. There is plenty of information available on Japanese tools, but not much on joinery specifics. Thus my plan is: -- use Japanese tools because they are designed for using on the floor (angles, cutting on the pull rather than push, etc). -- use

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that's sad to hear that japan woodworker was purchased by woodcraft. they used to be a really excellent independent resource... eric On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 7:34:08 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > Thank you, gents! Update: I've talked with both Hida Tool (excellent > resource and my

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I too have been living this for years now, but I don't associate it with any country or anything like that. I found I rather like being on the ground rather than faulted on a chair. I have made do with own makeshift tables which are just Ikea shelving parts I had leftover and placed on some

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The Soul of a Tree might be worth a read: https://www.amazon.com/Soul-Tree-Master-Woodworkers-Reflections/dp/1568363958 --Tom Milani Alexandria, VA On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 9:21:08 AM UTC-4, Mike Packard wrote: > > I love this list; I am now interested in both Japanese Woodworking and >

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I love this list; I am now interested in both Japanese Woodworking and floor living. Any good blogs / photo sets about floor living out there? Mike On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 1:12:19 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > Does anyone know good books or online resources or someone willing to

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Not furniture, but here are videos of traditional-style carpenter: https://youtu.be/QJ5voZfUNbo https://youtu.be/HXv8laE9YNA I think required techniques are similar between carpentry and furniture craft, only different in sizes. BTW, I also live on floor. I am typing this sitting on floor, my

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Thank you, gents! Update: I've talked with both Hida Tool (excellent resource and my choice for tools). They suggested I talk with the guy who only comes in Saturdays, so I will. and Japanese Wood Worker (now owned by Wood Craft, so kind of like getting help on timber framing at Home Depot).

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Contact hidatool.com out of Berkely, CA. Many tools available. Only a few books though. If you call, they may be able to put you into contact with other resources. If I remember this weekend Fine Woodworking once had an article on an American Japanese woodworker who taught the craft. What

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I remember Alan Watts saying that this craft is being lost because people are getting jobs that take them out of craft making. He mentioned that those who develop this skill learn it at an early age because it is harder to do as you get older and it is something done by eye as well. I am sure

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Ha! Yes, Drew, it's amazing how we can see it and yet be a stunningly long way from knowing how to do it. For example, the chisels are two types of metal: iron for the shaft, hard steel for the tip. Different to sharpen. Saws cut on the pull, not the push. Floor living is living without chairs

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not super helpful, but i saw these gifs of handmade joints a while ago . mind-numbing. what is floor living? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google