Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-02-13 Thread John Dewey
Indeed, Joe. We’re 3 times RAGBRAI finishers and it has to be included in all discussions of greatest cycling experiences ever. Just nothing like it. So many delightfully crazy happy folks on every kind of bicycle imaginable. Party (or not) every night, jump off the bridge into a mucky creek,

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-02-13 Thread Leah Peterson
Oh wonderful! Is your wife a RivSister? If so, she’d be the first I’ve ever ridden with since we moved to Michigan. I’m staying in a hotel, but you guys feel free to get some coffee at my room if you like!Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 13, 2024, at 1:56 PM, Leif Eckstrom wrote:That's great, Leah! I'm

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-02-13 Thread Leif Eckstrom
That's great, Leah! I'm planning to camp. My wife will be riding for the first time and camping, too. I had a blast last year and fell in with a group that quickly became friends along the way. You and anyone else from this list would be most welcome to ride with us. Best, Leif On Tuesday,

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-02-13 Thread Leah Peterson
Leif, I just might have to do it! Are you planning to camp or sleep in a hotel? Are you riding alone? If there was a group of us Riv Riders that wanted to ride together I think it would be great. LeahOn Feb 13, 2024, at 1:17 PM, Leif Eckstrom wrote:Leah, Marc, Pam, et. al.,I'm loving the thought

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-02-13 Thread Leif Eckstrom
Leah, Marc, Pam, et. al., I'm loving the thought that I might just see a pack of Rivish Lone Wolf(s) on Le Tour De Shore this June. Registration is now open--with about 6 early-registration priced tickets left as of this morning, Tuesday, Feb 13. https://www.bikereg.com/letourdeshore Please DM

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-27 Thread Pam Bikes
I've had good luck using Amtrak alot. It takes a phone call to make sure. In NC we can take a bike b/t Charlotte and Raleigh w/a reservation and there is no cost to bring your bike. You can get off any station in b/t and there are 4 round trip trains daily. So I can do daytrips to each

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-27 Thread Marc Irwin
Amtrak has been working hard the past ten years to make affordable bike transport available and on all it's trains. Marc On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 8:22:07 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote: > It’s unfortunate that this country never has, and never will embrace > multi-modal

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-27 Thread Marc Irwin
All The trains running between Michigan and Chicago take bike reservations. I've used them all many times. Marc On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 11:54:12 AM UTC-5 George Schick wrote: > I hate to throw a wet blanket on this idea, but wasn't there some > discussion on this forum a while back

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-27 Thread Corwin Zechar
I used to ride 6 miles to MacArthur BART, put my bike in a locker I rented, and hop on a train. In San Francisco, I walked a mile to Caltrain, hopped on another train and get off at Hillsdale. Then I would get my beater bike out of another rented locker and ride 4 miles to my office in Redwood

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-27 Thread George Schick
Amen, broke. When I was still working in the city I used to ride the bike the 2 miles or so the station, take the train downtown, and walk the 4 or 5 blocks to the office. Why others would insist on driving the 25-30 miles in bumper-to-bumper stop/go traffic and then pay big bucks for a

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-27 Thread Brian Turner
It’s unfortunate that this country never has, and never will embrace multi-modal transportation. Just think of all the biking possibilities that could be available to so many more of us, and not just those who live in major metropolitan areas. On Jan 27, 2024, at 8:00 AM, Leah Peterson

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-27 Thread Leah Peterson
Yes, you remember rightly, George. This was why I had to get a 50 cm Platy (still waiting for parts to be built) - so that I could put it on Amtrak; the 55 is just too long. And even then the 50 will be a tight fit, and you can only have so many bikes on the train, and there’s some other dumb

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-27 Thread Leah Peterson
Pam, we can have my husband pick us up and bring us back to Kalamazoo. It’s only an hour and a half drive or something. Amtrak leaves out of Kzoo and you could take that home! We could make this work!!!On Jan 27, 2024, at 12:38 AM, Pam Bikes wrote:Leah, if you do that ride, maybe I can come too. 

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-27 Thread ascpgh
My old housemate Steve, the younger of two brothers there, got into modern cycling with a bike I built him on a Bridgestone MB-3 frame. He's taken that way farther on and is a bike commuter to an office and customer setting (supporting the business through Sam's Club and Wal*Mart) requiring

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-26 Thread Pam Bikes
Leah, if you do that ride, maybe I can come too. Especially if I can figure out how to get home from there. Maybe some Riv sisters could do it too. I'm loving this conversation finding out about more rides. On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 11:54:12 AM UTC-5 George Schick wrote: > I hate

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-26 Thread George Schick
I hate to throw a wet blanket on this idea, but wasn't there some discussion on this forum a while back about taking bikes on Amtrak, which trains allow them and which ones don't, where and how they store the bikes, etc? Not sure if that was ever resolved for this route. Has anyone done this

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-26 Thread Leah Peterson
Marc! You want to do this with me, I’m sure!The Lone Wolf and The Platypus Rider Ride Across Two States. I can see it now.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 26, 2024, at 11:29 AM, Marc Irwin wrote:Leah,      The ride from Millenium Park sounds like the route I've taken several times to and from Chicago,

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-26 Thread Marc Irwin
Leah, The ride from Millenium Park sounds like the route I've taken several times to and from Chicago, using Indiana Dunes as one of the overnights. It would be a good ride, you could take Amtrak to Chicago and return on Amtrak from New Buffalo. Marc On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-25 Thread Leah Peterson
Leif, I could do this It’s Father’s day weekend, so that is the only possible snag. I’m going to try and make this ride! Thank you!!!Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 25, 2024, at 8:27 PM, Leif Eckstrom wrote:Hey Leah, and midwestern riders, There’s a well-planned and well-executed ride from

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-25 Thread Leif Eckstrom
Hey Leah, and midwestern riders, There’s a well-planned and well-executed ride from Chicago’s Millenium Park to New Buffalo, MI, spread out over 2 days, totalling about 100 miles all told. June 14-15 (Friday and Saturday). Hundreds of friendly riders—most camp the first night at Indiana

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-25 Thread Frank Burkybile
Hi Leah et al., I agree with Pam, the Mountains to Coast ride in NC is a great introduction and her advice tracks with my experience. A word of warning: you may become a convert but since we are members of this Riv group, it’s probably a safe assumption that people already know that you are

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-24 Thread Pam Bikes
Leah, you could do any ride you want. There are rides in every state including NC. Our cross the state ride is from the Mountains to the Coast and will be 10/6-13. I've done it 3 times. Camping is the way to go b/c there are not enough hotels and honestly they are motels since these are

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-21 Thread Leah Peterson
George is right. I wonder if those wheelman will let a raspberry racing Platypus and its non-self-sufficient rider on any of their rides. Here’s to new adventures! Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 21, 2024, at 5:11 PM, George Schick wrote:Not to worry, all is not lost.  There's this ride calendar of

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-21 Thread George Schick
Not to worry, all is not lost. There's this ride calendar of events in the Wolverine state: https://lmb.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/RideCal_2023_v5_web.pdf On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote: > Welp, I was so much more excited about this in

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-21 Thread Leah Peterson
Welp, I was so much more excited about this in theory. After reading about the various experiences of damaged luggage, sweltering temps and difficult logistics, I think I’ll find a different ride to do. Thanks to everyone who offered their experiences! It was a great thread to read in the dead of

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-21 Thread daniel belyusar
Hiya, Myself and another list member rode it for the first time last year. He on a Riv, me on my 83 Trek 620. (also another friend from Iowa and his dad). We met a number of Riv-riders including Reginald along the way ;). Overall it was a mixed bag. I never really got around to writing my

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-21 Thread Lyman Labry
I rode RAGBRAI for the first time last year. It was crazy and fun. Pork Belly Ventures is a premier service for Ragbrai riders. Check out their website. Lyman ATX On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 11:03 AM Matt Beecher wrote: > If I were to do it again, I would pay for one of the services where they >

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-21 Thread Matt Beecher
If I were to do it again, I would pay for one of the services where they haul your stuff and set up your tent. Getting a hotel will likely be nearly impossible, given the number of people attending. I did RAGBRAI a few years ago and tried bringing my own tent and setting it up at night.

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-18 Thread Brady Smith
Here's my two cents: I did RAGBRAI last year with my parents, both of whom have done it more than a dozen times (I grew up in Cedar Rapids). My dad managed to snag hotels or rooms in family/friend homes reasonably close to each town, which made a real difference in the heat. I remember

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-17 Thread R. Alexis
BRAN(Bike Ride Across Nebraska) is still going as far as I know. As apposed to RAGBRAI, it is a lot smaller. I think registration is limited to 500 or so. Might be even smaller. Someone described RAGBRAI as a party atmosphere that happens to have bikes involved. BRAN, from what I understand is

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-17 Thread matt miller
I wonder if it will start close to Omaha this year since it was the northern route last year? A very good friend did it last summer. He got an RV, and his wife drove (and worked remote). He reserved a lot of RV spots that were NOT with the main group. Had a blast, but a couple of those days

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-16 Thread John Dewey
I snapped a shot one RAGBRAI of a bank clock at 6 pm sharp. Still 106F. Thank goodness for plenty of cold beer. Jock On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 2:50 PM Sarah Carlson wrote: > Just watched the RAGBRAI documentary and can totally understand how you > could be called to join a community of riders

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-16 Thread Sarah Carlson
Just watched the RAGBRAI documentary and can totally understand how you could be called to join a community of riders who support each other through an exciting challenge. It makes me want to go too except for when I heard one of the guys commenting, "It's 105 degrees." That gave me pause!

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-16 Thread Rusty Click
Forgot to mention Leah, way better than the RAGBRAI documentary are the videos posted by Ryan Van Duzer. He captures what its really like on the ride...the people, the towns, the entertainment, etc. Look for him on you-toob Sláinte, Rusty Click Pgh, PA On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-16 Thread Patrick Moore
Ah, thank you; yes I think I recall seeing the photo back then. I liked the combination of sus sp (it was a CODA) and the Softride, circa 1990; very plush, like being suspended on bungies; really took the edge of washboard-type bumps. But the then-just-appeared CODA would creak and allow the

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-16 Thread Corwin Zechar
I have not ridden RAGBRAI. I have heard lots about it from people on this list as well as Jacquie Phelan. Jacquie and Charlie rode RAGBRAI several years ago. There is support for disabled people at RAGBRAI. Even to the extent of special meals and lodging. Jacquie was very encouraging about me

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-16 Thread Rusty Click
Be careful Leah, RAGBRAI was on my bucket list and I finally rode it in 2015 at age 58. It was supposed to be a "one and done" for me, but I've now crossed Iowa every year since except 2020 (which I rode virtually) and even convinced my daughter to join me in '21. She rode again with me last

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-16 Thread R. Alexis
i think this is the link to my post a few years ago with pic. https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/T4c-yWGj4is/m/2kQoh5iFAgAJ Or search Rolling on a Rivendell Mountain. Thanks. Reginald Alexis On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 8:56:30 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote: > Sorry, sorry,

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-16 Thread R. Alexis
Hello Patrick, You are good on the name. I posted a pic of my Rivendell Mountain a bit ago. Probably 2022 after doing Corporate Cycling Challenge in August. I think I posted both on RBW Owner Bunch and IBOB lists. Can probably see it with a search. The Thudbuster Uni-Pivot works well. Been

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-15 Thread Patrick Moore
Sorry, sorry, *Reginald,* not Alexis. Again, sorry, I just dealt with a particularly opaque resume. On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:54 PM Patrick Moore wrote: > A minor thread interruption: Alexis, forgive me if you've posted it > before, but I'd love to see your Mountain with Softride and

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-15 Thread Patrick Moore
A minor thread interruption: Alexis, forgive me if you've posted it before, but I'd love to see your Mountain with Softride and Thudbuster. Decades ago, I set up a Performance ti mtb with early Cannondale (I think) sliding suspension seatpost and Softride and I recall how well they insulated one

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-15 Thread Howard Hatten
I rode ragbrai in 2015. I’m nowhere near as strong a rider as you and had no problem with the ride. The outfitter I used doesn’t operate at ragbrai any more but if I ever did it again I would try to hook up with this group. “Pork Belly Ventures”. They make tent camping quite nice. They also

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-15 Thread 'Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch
The brilliance of RAGBRAI is that you can do it however you want. Fancy tent set-up and more food than you'd ever eat; finding a tour that actually books you into someone's home; to just getting your duffel bag of stuff hauled by the RAGBRAI truck from town to town. There are so many choices

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-15 Thread George Schick
Joe - I get your point. I rode in a couple of Hotter'n Hell rides in North Texas back in '95 and '96 just "for the hell of it" so to speak. But that was when I was living in the DFW area at the time so it was less than a 100 mile drive to Wichita Falls. I'm older and more crusty now some 30

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-15 Thread Joe Bernard
I'm not sure why we would question why someone would want to do a well known ride after seeing a film about it. She wants to do it because it's interesting to her. Joe Bernard On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 5:02:11 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote: > Not sure why you'd want to go through the

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-15 Thread George Schick
Not sure why you'd want to go through the trouble to travel all the way over to the Western end of Iowa for this ride particular ride given the distance to get there, the logistics, accommodation issues and the sheer mass of riders (some of whom seem to like to stop at every bar along a

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-15 Thread R. Alexis
Leah, I took the opportunity to ride the first day of RAGBRAI last summer. I live in eastern Nebraska. I happened to be off that weekend, heard it was starting that weekend and that it was the 50th anniversary of the ride. Had always thought of doing at least the first day, but never took the

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-15 Thread Glen
I did it in 2002, before I was on a Riv. I rode with a co-worker and this extended family group who all had Iowa ties and had been doing it for years. It was a total blast. A great experience rolling with thousands through intersections closed to cars by Iowa state troopers! We each took a

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-15 Thread Julian Westerhout
I watched the RAGBRAI film -- the actual ride is much better than the film -- which was interesting, but focused more on the folks they followed than on the RAGBRAI experience itself, IMHO. RAGBRAI is worth doing at least once. Hoteling is pretty much not going to happen -- although there is

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI 2023 50th Anniversary Ride

2023-08-30 Thread Cody Marvin
Hey Reginald, that was me on the Sam, with Dan on the Trek and Andy on the Bridgestone T500. It was great meeting you, that Riv Mountain is truly awesome. It was hot and hilly out there, 64 miles was plenty. Cody Chicago On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 3:28 PM Brady Smith wrote: > I did the whole

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI 2023 50th Anniversary Ride

2023-08-30 Thread Brady Smith
I did the whole thing on my greysilver Roadini, which I brought off this listserv a year or two ago. I somehow missed the group you encountered, but I did see a couple with a Homer and a Hillborne, a lovely double-top tube Hillborne, a silver, flat bar Appaloosa, another woman on a very shiny

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI 18

2018-07-31 Thread Brent P
I seemed to be surrounded by Team Tide most of the morning. But my favorite color is orange so their jerseys were hard to miss! Had a great experience for my first RAGBRAI and looking forward to doing more next year. The Atlantis was a great to cruise through the carbon fiber masses and

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI 18

2018-07-31 Thread Julian Westerhout
On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 5:31:48 AM UTC-5, ascpgh wrote: > > Any RAGBRAI riders see the Tide-kitted riders? > > My long time friend and cyclist Steve works for P and organizes their > participation. None are Riv owners, but Steve commutes by bike and has been > an advocate ever since I

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI 18

2018-07-31 Thread Dale Click
Andy, I saw them almost every day! Seemed to be a large team by the looks of their support vehicle. Rusty Click Pittsburgh > On Jul 31, 2018, at 6:31 AM, ascpgh wrote: > > Any RAGBRAI riders see the Tide-kitted riders? > > My long time friend and cyclist Steve works for P and organizes

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI 18

2018-07-31 Thread ascpgh
Any RAGBRAI riders see the Tide-kitted riders? My long time friend and cyclist Steve works for P and organizes their participation. None are Riv owners, but Steve commutes by bike and has been an advocate ever since I built him a bike on a Bridgestone MB-4 frame in 1989. They were

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI 18

2018-07-29 Thread Julian Westerhout
Rusty, It was good to ride RAGBRAI on my 64cm Atlantis, to meet you and your Hillborne, and to see a few other Rivs as well -- spotted a green Roadeo, a lovely blue Betty Foy, a sage HHH, another Atlantis, a blue Clementine, and an orange Cheviot (also spotted a Grant-designed MB-2 and an

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI 2015

2015-08-03 Thread Robert F. Harrison
Thanks for the great report Rusty. It sounds like a blast. Having done the ride myself a couple of times I can really picture all the good times you had! Aloha, Bob On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Rusty Click click...@gmail.com wrote: In lieu of a day to day trip report, here are some

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI 2015

2015-08-03 Thread Tim Gavin
Sounds like you had some classic RAGBRAI experiences, including bus trouble! Many teams fit out clapped out retired school buses, and some are better at plumbing up the keg refrigerators than they are at bus maintenance. Priorities! Seriously, though, a good team to support you seems like the

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI 2015

2015-08-03 Thread Rusty Click
In lieu of a day to day trip report, here are some recollections about this years RAGBRAI. Our Pennsylvania Mountain Men, a group of 10, consisted of eight riders, the mini bus owner, and his girlfriend who drove 'the beast' like a road warrior. They became hitched while on this years

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI 2015

2015-07-27 Thread Deacon Patrick
Bacon! Looks like a great ride! I also look forward to your ride report. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 10:38:17 AM UTC-6, Rusty Click wrote: Hi all, Thought I'd update the group on my virginal RAGBRAI ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI ebook $.99

2013-10-27 Thread SeanMac
Thanks for the tip. I just ordered it. I've never done RAGBRAI, but have always wanted to. Perhaps this will inspire a trip to Iowa. Sean On Sunday, October 27, 2013 1:09:57 PM UTC-4, velomann wrote: Only peripherally Riv related. Haven't read it yet, but figured fo a buck, what the

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI

2013-07-29 Thread Tim Gavin
Good to meet you, Tony. I also saw an orange Ram, an orange Atlantis, a green Redwood, and a steel blue Long Low. I thought I'd see more Atlantii, but maybe that ultra touring crowd was ahead of me all day. I was dawdling a bit with my gf and her dad, who was riding a crappy Trek hybrid. On

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI

2013-07-29 Thread Anne Paulson
How does your Ram do loaded? I bought my son a big Ram (offered on this list!) and I wonder if I should have gotten him a stouter bike, given that he tends to abuse his steeds. On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Linkbeak linkb...@gmail.com wrote: Great! My friend and I left the ride on day 4 and

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI

2013-07-29 Thread Michael
See anyone with Albas at RAGBRAI? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group,

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI

2013-07-28 Thread Tony McG
RAGBRAI was awesome!!! The weather was gorgeous, the route was short, and the hills were a piece of cake. I saw hundreds of beautiful steel bikes and Rivendell was well represented. The first Riv that I spotted was a Heron; it was stopped on the side of the road early on the first day. I

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI

2013-07-28 Thread Linkbeak
Great! My friend and I left the ride on day 4 and continued on our personal RAGBRAI, dipping wheels in Dubuque yesterday. We are now headed to Chicago. It is amazing, everywhere we've met people along our ride they ask us if we've come from RAGBRAI. It was a fun time, you just need the

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI

2013-07-25 Thread Linkbeak
Just ride! Spotted so far -- the Soma, a big orange Ram, a blue Long Low and a stunning deep red Atlantis. And of course our Rams. Lots of 'nice bike' which I think is code for 'your bike is pretty but how can you ride that thing so far?' -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI

2013-07-20 Thread Tony McG
I'll be watching for both of you while riding my Soma San Marcos (2 top tubes). Tony On Thursday, July 18, 2013 11:32:42 PM UTC-5, Linkbeak wrote: If you're doing RAGBRAI, look for me on my bright blue Ram loaded with red panniers. Hey, it's a 1 in 10,000 shot. This will be my second

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI

2013-07-20 Thread Michael
I looked up their site. 50-90 miles a day depending on that year's route. It is a ride for fun and not a race. Cool. I looked at the training page and sounds doable if you are in good shape. How did you all train for this? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI

2013-07-19 Thread Michael
How many miles a day do people do usually on that ride? Do some go non-stop all the way? Have a great time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an