Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-19 Thread Joe Bernard
YAYYY!!! That was a long road to this point, but all seems well now. I'm looking forward to tomorrow when you'll be shifty! Wait, let me rephrase that... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and s

Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-19 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
Thank you, Dorothy. ❤️ That is great to know, and I do think I’ve now gotten the issue fixed. A List member messaged me and said, “Leah, I still don’t think those shifters are right...” And he was right. The clamp needed to swap places with the brake clamp. Then Joe B. realized the mechanic had

Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-19 Thread Dorothy C
I found this on a bikeforums thread 6. The grips have to be pushed all the way onto the handlebar, you can’t let them hang off the end. The leather end plug is sandwiched between the end of the bar and a flange on the end cap. If you don’t have them pushed on all the way, the leather plug will

Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-17 Thread Joe Bernard
I should call them up in my best grizzled cop voice: JOE BERNARD HERE, DON'T SCREW IT UP. OK BYE. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owner

Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-17 Thread Garth
Waiting for promises of a better product, delivery and installation in the future doesn't help in the present though. Tension in the bolt is an easy check today, regardless of the shifter. Even terrific Sun Tour Thumbshifters need a slight tension adjustment now and then, as with any shifter t

Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-17 Thread Garth
Neither is satisfaction in waiting for promises of a better product, delivery and installation in the future, when the tension is an easy check today, regardless of the shifter. On Friday, August 16, 2019 at 7:17:49 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: > > Ghost shifting with those clickety SunRace sh

Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-16 Thread Joe Bernard
Ghost shifting with those clickety SunRace shifters is a fault of using an IGH shifter on a derailer. It can be fiddled with enough cure it to the satisfaction of some, but it's simply not a friction shifter. Leah will be much happier with the Microshift, I promise. -- You received this messa

Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-16 Thread Garth
Ghost shifting may also be as simple as a slight tightening of the tension bolt on top of the shifter in question. D-rings to adjust are sweet, hex/allen bolts are not ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe fro

Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-16 Thread Bill Schairer
With ghost shifting in the back I’d be checking the derailleur hanger alignment. Bill S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+uns

Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-16 Thread Joe Bernard
Party on, Garth 👊 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit ht

Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-16 Thread Garth
Oh boy . at this point amidst the comedy of trials and errors, who or what done what to/fro who or what . it's enough to speed up the Earth from rotating for just one moment while It rolls in Laughter ! So may as well break out song . it's just like riding a bike . Liberty t

Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-16 Thread Joe Bernard
Unless you're doing it yourself - I'll tell you how! - then it's off to REI for you. The new shifters will be less finicky for them, plus I/we can talk you through any further adjustments that may be needed. Just make sure they know you're doing reverse-sides with both in friction. They'll be

Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-16 Thread Leah Peterson
I feel I must take the shifters to the REI mechanics now. That was the deal - they wouldn’t charge me for last visit but told me to come back for shifter service instead. Don’t I kind of have to see them? They do understand about friction, they just didn’t get the set up on my Aquaclem the first

Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-16 Thread Leah Peterson
1. You have given me hope that all will be well with new shifters! 2. Where is that darn speed racer? Must have decided he couldn’t handle the hill. And certainly not in this heat. 3. Front derailleur seems to be behaving this week. I don’t know that it had ever been used much. When I got it, I w

Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-16 Thread Patrick Moore
My opinion of REI's bike mechanic fell precipitously a few years ago when the *head mechanic* told me that the rubbing pads of the Shimano disk brakes on a bike newly bought for a friend were behaving normally and would stop rubbing after they "wore in." Idiot. Fixed them myself. I do like REI's m

Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-16 Thread DHans
Leah, I don't want to disparage any bike mechanic but I wonder if REI has mechanics with much experience. I along with others would recommend new shifters as you have decided and take it to an LBS mechanic. Good luck! Doug On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 11:29:25 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Din

Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-15 Thread Joe Bernard
Leah, my guess is you got used to the way the front shifts compared to the quite different arrangement on Betz. I know from experience that those Silver cranks move the granny tighter to the frame than Sugino, so the shift over to it is going to be lazier. It's also going to be weak if you shift

Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-15 Thread Leah Peterson
You’re making sense to me with your fancy mechanic words, Garth! 😂 I see that too, now that you say it. I ordered the new shifters and will have the mechanics look at the chain when I take the bike for shifter install. The story gets stranger. I’ve ridden the bike to school the last 2 days, so

Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-15 Thread Garth
I noted in the photos of your bike the chain appears in the smallest rear cogs and small ring and the chain doesn't have much tension. It could possibly have a few too many links, and/or RD isn't up to the task. This is all greek to you of course. It reminds me of how 2 people can speak the sa

Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-13 Thread Coal Bee Rye Anne
I still have the 1st Gen Sunrace shifters on my Clem and 2nd those that noted the ghost shifting in the rear my solution being the same as already mentioned... over/under shifting slightly and backing off to find the sweet spot. Definitely found a few in between gears with the mid range cli

Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-13 Thread Garth
Now if you can find a way for your entire life to revolve around you riding your bike in a silly workstand you'll be all set Ahahaahahaa A reasonably good mechanic with any pride and curiosity at this point would go with you outside while you watch them ride it in the lot. I'm surpr

Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-13 Thread Leah Peterson
Well, that was an exercise in patience and fruitlessness. The gracious pair of REI mechanics took me right in. They probably rolled their eyes when they saw me for the 2nd time in 3 days, but it couldn’t be helped. I told them the situation, reiterated some of what you guys told me, and one mec

Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-13 Thread Patrick Moore
Front derailleur adjustment is not rocket science, and unless there is some fundamental incompatibility between derailleur and crankset,* or between derailleur and bottom bracket assembly spindle length*, or between derailleur and shifter*, fixing a shifting problem is simply a matter of proper adj

[RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-13 Thread Andy Beichler
Will it shift when not on a hill? It may be that the limit screw for the lower gear needs a slight tweak or that the cable needs to be given just a bit more slack so that the derailleur can move a little more toward the smaller gear. On Tuesday, August 13, 2019 at 1:31:36 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Bel

[RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-13 Thread Joe Bernard
I contend that it's madness. Those maddening maddeners only came on the first run, then Riv switched to 9-speed with Microshifts swapped so the rear has a soft ratchet and the front is pure friction. MUCH better. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

[RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-13 Thread Benz, Sunnyvale, CA
On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 11:40:44 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: > > The finicky stuff was the rear cuz those clicks did in fact act kinda > indexy and would sometimes leave you stuck slightly between gears. Which > won't make a lick of sense to you if you've always used friction, so we can >

[RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-13 Thread Joe Bernard
A bike mechanic who's used to all the shifty bits indexing properly might miss this btw. That double fd isn't designed to work with a triple, especially one with the low profile design Grant put into the Silver. It can be made to work, but it takes a bit of fiddling. -- You received this mess

[RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-13 Thread Bill Schairer
It may be that the front derailleur is binding and needs some lubrication at all the pivot points. With the shifter in position for the small ring, if you push the derailleur cage in with your finger (not while riding, of course) does the cage move inward some more? Or, look to see if there is

[RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-13 Thread Joe Bernard
Yep Garth, I think you're onto something there about derailer. Now that I've wandered over to Leah's Instagram to get a look at her bike, I'm realizing she has those Riv Silver cranks that mount the granny way tight to the frame. I'll betcha that fd as set perfectly parallel to the rings is bott

[RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-13 Thread Garth
That sounds like a FD alignment issue Leah. Regardless of the shifters in question, I assume you mean the Sunrace "One at a time" ones, moving the chain from ring to ring should work easily as long as the FD is set up correctly and cable tension alright. If the FD is too high above the larges