On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:38 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
The appeal (to me) of the Herse format is that it allows you to go even
smaller, like 44/28 or 42/26, or the 40/24 made popular in Riv circles by
Keven.
44/28, yes, but not (yet, anyway?) 42/26 or 40/24 -- they're not
h, perhaps you are right. Maybe I didn't think that through completely
since I'm happy at 44. Good catch.
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How can it make a good double? By leaving the outer ring position empty and
using single speed bolts?
- Ryan
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My brother (He and I both ride TA Pro V Cyclotouriste as well) just
ordered a Herse 46/30.
Ican't wait to see that jewel.
On Dec 14, 4:51 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
Let me see if I remember the full list of gripes about Compass' reissue of
Rene Herse Cranks:
1. They only come in
In case anyone wants a Suntour Microdrive crank... I have one for sale. NOS
XC Expert crankarms with NOS 42-32 rings and a good condition 20T granny.
$50 shipped. There are plenty of 44 or 46T chainring out there is some
wants to build a low cost 46-32 double.
contact off line if interested.
I held back on buying the WI crank for a long time too because of the black
rings. But in reality they look much better in person than they do on the
WI web site. The rings don't look at all like cheap MT rings but are
highly polished to a black mirror finish that contrast nicely with the
Here are some WI's on my wires Roadeo. I guess I'm going to have to find out
how much I paid for those things. I was one with sticker shock at 385 bucks as
well. Beautiful cranks. Everything has to start someplace.
Now I just have to figure out how big of hypocrite my sticker shock makes
MSRP http://www.whiteind.com/suggestedretailprice.html for the White
Industries WBC crankset with two chanrings is $340, so a little less
expensive than the new Compass Rene Herse crankset, which in turn is quite
a bit cheaper than the modern TA Pro 5 Vis, which sells for about $440
online.
Of
Wow. That's a well designed crank. If I could find just the arms I could
use the chainrings I already have. I ignored the crank before due to the
odd graphics on the arms. I assumed it was some racy thing.
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that's not true. 30t is the lowest.
see: http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote:
I see the Sugino OX801D as functionally similar - low Q, low weight,
46/30 or similar chainrings.
Not at all. The main
Herse cranks are nice but pricey. The VO 50.4 are good buy but I
didn't like the branding. I bought 50.4 cranks from Electra and they
seem to be the same cranks that VO sells. They are on sale until
12/31/11. I picked up a single speed set for $79.99. I will switch out
he rings at some point in
Nice to look at - old-timey and all.
Works with a ten speed chains? Mmmm I wouldn't want to have to make
it work. 4mm width, must get tapered some for the teeth though.
Lets see, for $299.99 one could get a Campy alloy cross crank that was
built for ten speed systems, but has full pins and
So the WI cranks are cnc machined, so what. I've never heard of a WI crank
failure, and if one did fail I'm certain WI would make good on it, no
question. The 8 mm of additional Q is insignificant, as is the 100 g.
In the last issue of BQ, Jan Heine admitted that two bikes with 8 lbs of
Works with a ten speed chains? Mmmm I wouldn't want to have to make
it work. 4mm width, must get tapered some for the teeth though.
Most high-quality chainrings step down at the teeth to a thinner width
than the main body of the ring. Even in 1938, when the original Herse
cranks were
On Dec 15, 8:18 am, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
So the WI cranks are cnc machined, so what. I've never heard of a WI crank
failure, and if one did fail I'm certain WI would make good on it, no
question. The 8 mm of additional Q is insignificant, as is the 100 g.
I have, second
The reasons for the proprietary bolt circle are simple: None of the
common bolt circles allow useful combinations like 48-32 and 46-30.
That's not exactly true as stated. Some of us run 94/58 triple cranks as
compact doubles. Perhaps that doesn't qualify as common but there are at
least a
I've not heard of any WI failures either and I live 15 miles up the
road. I wonder if the failures occurred during developmental testing?
In which case four failures are relatively few.
CNC machining seems to be what domestic machinists find cost effective
- Paul uses it as well, and I like to
White Industries has a very entertaining flickr feed showing several of
their production processes. There is a shot of the backside of some ENO
cranks to show how the arms are hogged out.
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FWIW,
The Sugino OX801D cranks are terrific. They are nicely finished, shift
effortlessly, don't weigh too much, come with a BB and have common BCD.
Highly recommended!
Oddly, domestic suppliers don't seem to stock the interesting chainring
combinations or non-silver finish. However,
On Thu, 2011-12-15 at 12:59 -0800, stevep33 wrote:
FWIW,
The Sugino OX801D cranks are terrific. They are nicely finished,
shift effortlessly, don't weigh too much, come with a BB and have
common BCD. Highly recommended!
Oddly, domestic suppliers don't seem to stock the interesting
The RH cranks are probably outstanding. I see the Sugino OX801D as
functionally similar - low Q, low weight, 46/30 or similar chainrings.
The differences relate more to one's personal taste:
- classic vs modern appearance
- square taper BB vs Hollowtech/outboard bearing BB
- silver vs choice
- silver vs choice of silver/black
Don't forget the Sugino offers the choice of BLUE RED or *GOLD *chainrings,
too! I'm sure Steve Palinscar's MAP would look just delightful with
colorful chainrings. Kidding! Kidding!
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The blue, red and gold chainrings come with a pair of very tight jeans and
an ironic mustache.
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I see the Sugino OX801D as functionally similar - low Q, low weight,
46/30 or similar chainrings.
Not at all. The main draw for the RH cranks for me is the ability to run
48/30, 48/28 but the Sugino OX801D can only go down to 34 like regular old
110 cranks.
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Ryan, The Sugino OX801D is offered with chainring combinations ranging from
44/30 to 52/36. My Sugino OX801D cranks have 46/30 rings.
http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm
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the Sugino OX801D can only go down to 34
Ryan
Not true, the Sugino OX801D takes a 110mm big ring, and can take a 110mm
small ring OR a 74mm small ring. They come stock with 14 different
chainring combos, including 46/30, 44/30, 48/32, etc. It's true that Soma
(Merry Sales) only stocks down
@stevep33 and @William,
Thanks for the correction. So 90 bcd cranks can go as low as 28 AND the OX801D
is a 90? Sweet! Any other suggestions besides the OX801D that are good
90bcd cranks? As long as the OX801D is in RH price range I'd rather have
the RH.
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I don't know where you got that the Sugino is a 90mm BCD. As I said above,
the Sugino will take a 110mm inner ring OR a 74mm inner ring:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1QyavWav_4g/TuqGR1HuOwI/AiM/QsMBdeiW65k/s1600/conpact-plus.jpg
See? Any 110mm ring you want. Any 74mm ring you
Not bad, Sugino.
But Compass has you beat because its super-compact double crankset requires
two fewer spider arms and seven fewer chainring bolts!
After the Rene Herse crankset comes out in the full Chris King rainbow of
colorways including the ever popular
I think it's really awesome that there are at least four different ways to
get an off the shelf 46/30. Herse, Velo-Orange, Sugino, and White
Industries. There may be a lot more. 5 years ago did we have that many
options for a truly useful compact double?
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If there is identically one manufacturer sourcing a replacement, I'd call
that proprietary. Even though Herse used that BCD in the past, they don't
make rings anymore. Back then you could only get a Herse crankset with a
bike. I get your point, though.
$385 does hurt, and it's only going to
I think the White Industries cranks are CNC machined, not near-net
forged like the Compass/Herse crank, but I'm not sure what WI means
by box style construction.
Philip
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On Dec 14, 7:05 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
If there is identically one
*The Velo Orange Grand Cru 50.4 bcd cranks:*
Q-factor around 139mm
165mm, 170mm, 175mm lengths
easy to find vintage chain ring options
Chain rings from 50 down to 28 will fit
550g
unfortunate VO type all over them
*$200*
*Compass Herse Cranks:*
Q-factor around 142mm
171 length
not easy to find
I would have liked to have seen them recreate the TA Zephyr cranks. I mean
if you're going to the effort expense of all new tooling, do it for
something that is not near-proprietary and that a subset of the Retrogrouch
multiverse is always clamoring for, myself included.
Just you wait till I'm
I am a bit surprised that people think $ 385 is expensive for a top-of-
the-line crankset. Almost all other high-end cranks are more
expensive, because other companies have more overhead:
- Sugino OX801D: $ 530 (includes BB).
- TA Pro 5 vis: $ 590
- Shimano Dura-Ace: $ 500+ (includes BB)
- Rene
What was so good about the TA Zephyr other than a nice finish?
This new/old Rene Herse crankset has some nice features compared to 110mm
BCD cranksets like the Zephyr, including lower Q and the option to set it
up as a truly wide range double. Plus it is beautiful and light weight.
If 110mm BCD
7. Made in Taiwan ?! Lame
We have the new cranks made in Taiwan, because that is where the
knowledge to forge aluminum bicycle cranks resides today. TA has their
blanks forged in Taiwan, and I believe Campagnolo did the same until
they switched to carbon. We'd love to produce closer to home,
Cold forged.
Low Q.
Readily available chainrings (110/74/58, although the 58 is harder to
find).
Inner ring that goes down to 22T.
Straight, not splayed out arms.
Square not oval arms.
The below-mentioned nice finish.
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:34 PM, David Yu Greenblatt
My original post was listing all the gripes I've heard from others whenever
these cranks come up in conversation. The rest of my post was about how I
want several sets of them.
I think they are spectacular, have been waiting for months for them to
become available and want to purchase
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