[RBW] Re: Ventile Exploration

@ PeterT That was interesting what you wrote about that chemical stuff. It is scary to think about how we may be poisoning ourselves with our industry. I wonder if that accounts for the widespread cancer. Maybe the microtoxins* coupled with *the toxins do it? I guess humans will learn more as

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Hi Patrick, I'm with you, I have been very unimpressed with waxed cotton trousers in the past. The (expensive) pants I've used from Fjällraven were simply horrible: neither breathable nor waterproof, they were really the worst of both worlds. However, the wax that is typically used on these

[RBW] Re: Ventile Exploration

You might want to surf over to Wiggy's (Riv sells their bags) and check out the Ducksback windshirt. I do not have one, but I have several other Wiggy's products. They work well and breath well. On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 7:41:57 PM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote: > > Thanks Will, > > In

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Even my fastidiously maintained waxed cotton bag begins to leak through the stitch holes of the seams. Even thought the base material is not nearly the functionality of the EtaProof/Ventile, the needle holes and threads of fabrication which leak. If similarly made of PVC sheet, my Carradice

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I will be stunned if waxed cotton cycling pants are the droids, er, pants you're looking for, Peter. Do you realize the heavy weight and non-breathability of waxed cotton? With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 5:00:29 PM UTC-6, Peter Turskovitch wrote: > > > ANYWAYS the good

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Very interesting! Thank you Patrick for sharing your experiments with us. I was motivated to do a bit of research about where to buy the raw fabric so that I can make a pair of pants. If anybody else is interested, here's what I found out. The name Ventile refers to a fabric originally made

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Ventile was a miracle fabric when it was first created the RAF to allow pilots to survive more than a few minutes in the North Sea and it is no less so now. What a connection you have with it's origins through your dad's accountant. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at

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Sold me. I just ordered a Braemar Hybrid Smock with hand warmer and compass pockets. I have to acknowledge an accountant that worked for my dad who had run away to Canada and joined the RCAF when he was 15, ended up in England for the Battle of Britain as a fighter pilot and survived

[RBW] Re: Ventile Exploration

Thanks Will, In spite of my very good jacket situation I'm still tempted by the ventile. You and Patrick should be writing advertising copy for Hilltrek! Thanks again. Tony On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 5:16:10 PM UTC-4, William deRosset wrote: > > Dear Tony, > > The M65 is the duck tail

[RBW] Re: Ventile Exploration

Dear Tony, The M65 is the duck tail model--the one issued with the extreme cold equipment (I got to spend three winters in the thing professionally)? If so, no--a ventile jacket of the same construction will not be less bulky nor dry faster. In general the greenspot was a less bulky jacket

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Well Patrick I appreciate your attempt to answer it just the same and I'm definitely still interested by ventile. It does sound ideal for your climate and riding style. Thanks again, Tony On Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 10:53 AM Deacon Patrick wrote: > Much like wider tires, more

[RBW] Re: Ventile Exploration

Much like wider tires, more supple tires, steel bikes, higher handlebars, and longer chain stays, ventile changes how I think about and use rainwear and clothing in general on any given ride. It's a wind shirt, insulating layer (more so if it's cotton analogy), and waterproof. So pack size is

[RBW] Re: Ventile Exploration

Question on specifically DV garments, how packable are they? I ended up wearing my M65 on the ride in this morning (first commute in the 40's here for me) and this afternoon it'll be 60 and I'll be stuffing it into my saddlesack medium where it will pretty much fill the bag. I can't imagine

[RBW] Re: Ventile Exploration

Patrick and Will, Many thanks for your detailed experiences with your array Hilltrek garments, both of your insights are helpful to my decision. I am always concerned when looking at "raingear" that many technical specifications are purposely overlooked or the item is demonstrated in high

[RBW] Re: Ventile Exploration

I was and still am deeply tempted by Will and Patrick's descriptions of the ventile jackets, particularly the Greenspot. Regardless I received a very generous gift two Christmases ago of an Alpha Industries M-65 field jacket, it's a fairly accurate reproduction if the classic military coat in

[RBW] Re: Ventile Exploration

Aye, here it is: http://hilltrek.co.uk/clothing/smocks/braemar-hybrid-smock/ On Monday, October 16, 2017 at 6:34:55 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > Will, > > I'm pretty sure Hilltrek now has something like that. Your ideal may > exist! Grin. > > With abandon, > Patrick > > On Monday, October

[RBW] Re: Ventile Exploration

Will, I'm pretty sure Hilltrek now has something like that. Your ideal may exist! Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, October 16, 2017 at 5:51:40 PM UTC-6, William deRosset wrote: > > For me, the ideal would be a single-ventile lower half, and a > double-ventile shoulder/arms with

[RBW] Re: Ventile Exploration

This sort of detailed write up is why I love this list. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

[RBW] Re: Ventile Exploration

Dear Andy, A use-case summary: For winter use, I use a single-ventile anorak, the Braemar model "windshirt". It breathes exceptionally well, keeps wind off of you, and will keep a light rain off of your layers for a while. Heavy rain wets it out pretty quickly as Patrick notes. It works very

[RBW] Re: Ventile Exploration

Dear Andy, EDIT: back on topic, just moved my discussion from the coffee thread here to help motivate the discussion and keep this one more compact (not that encouraging folks to go look at the lovely photography in the prior coffeneuring thread is a bad thing). The Hilltrek greenspot jacket