Re: [RBW] Re: What would Taubes put in a Boxy (or Candy Bar) Bag for a long ride

I've never been one to go on about how great whatever the Euros do is, but While visiting Spain in the Spring i was impressed how people would atke a stroll in the evening, as a family, and even more so on Sunday. Oddly enough, I ate ice cream, some times thrice daily, but at least every day,

Re: [RBW] Re: What would Taubes put in a Boxy (or Candy Bar) Bag for a long ride

On Aug 22, 2011, at 12:47 PM, CycloFiend wrote: > on 8/22/11 8:13 AM, Patrick in VT at swing4...@gmail.com wrote: > >> >> >> On Aug 21, 2:08 pm, Philip Williamson >> wrote: >> The people I know who are in >>> the best shape eat organic vegetables, some meat, some carbs. No GMOs, >>> no fast fo

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on 8/22/11 8:13 AM, Patrick in VT at swing4...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Aug 21, 2:08 pm, Philip Williamson > wrote: > The people I know who are in >> the best shape eat organic vegetables, some meat, some carbs. No GMOs, >> no fast food, no pre-packaged food. They exercise. > > That sounds ab

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On Aug 21, 2:08 pm, Philip Williamson wrote: The people I know who are in > the best shape eat organic vegetables, some meat, some carbs. No GMOs, > no fast food, no pre-packaged food. They exercise. That sounds about right. The only thing I'd add is that "they cook." IMO, cooking is essenti

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Yea Philip, I take the Taubes idea kinda loosely we aren't really following his stuff exclusively and have read the Paelo stuff the New Atkins and have been involved in the organic co-op hippie food kinda thing for years. My wife also cooks from scratch, we grow our own, had chickens in the past an

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I started this thread a while ago, read all the replies, and figured - just eat fruit and see what happens. Did 55 mi yesterday, with about 6000' of climbing grinding it out Clydesdale style). (for those of you that know Sonoma County, rode Ft Ross Road out to the coast, down to Bodega Bay, then

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Thanks, Charles. It seems that people take Taubes in a few different ways, and I haven't heard a lot of vegetable promotion from most of my Taubsian friends. From reading "Good Calories, Bad Calories," I didn't get a Michael Pollan vibe at all. I eat mostly vegetarian, mostly locally, mostly seaso

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Yea Philip, I know the example wasn't the best and it is funny now that I think about it but Scott impresses me with his resolve and the thing at least for me is, I believe Scott eats a ton of veggies (I rarely did before now) and in spite of the focus on meat and fat in the Paleo/ Atkins blah, bla

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Loved your story in the Riv Reader Scott..I use the now out of production banana bag but also a Carradice for colder weather. I find myself doing something similar when commuting, I just fill my water bottles and don't take anything but my lunch to work (a modest piece of some kind of protein a

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Interesting thread (as was the other long'ish one on Taubes' book).  I've read his book and was going to reply in that thread but thought better of it... and I've watched this thread and hit Reply a number of times only to then think, Ahh I like Jim and don't want to complicate his life, and though

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No disrespect from me either, but citing a vegan as an example in a "what would Taubes" eat thread is funny to me. I've never been an over-excerciser. Every time I stop drinking beer and ride my bike as much as I like, I drop down to about 200 lbs (which is good). I'm at 240 now, and just started

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Grant, next time you come to Waterbury (I'm 15 min away) let me know and we'll go to the Ben and Jerry's factory. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:31 AM, grant wrote: > > Aside from the occasional tiny bowl of Ben & Jerry's Coffee Health Bar > Crunch, my own personal/done good treat is a pretty low car

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Keep the faith, brother. And oh yeah, Semper Fi! On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Leslie wrote: > I've been sittin' on the sidelines on this, but, I suppose I should pitch in > a bit... > > Twenty years ago, I was a lean 19-yr-old,  6' tall, 150lb infantry Marine. > Before then, I could eat anyt

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No disrespect here Rene' but maybe try not exercising so much..I know riding is enjoyable I love it but try to mix it up a little and if you are trying to lose fat, lift weights and do shorter rides. The plain facts I am almost 53 and 258 down from 282 with virtually no exercise due to weat

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i think it would be the best type of beausage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ZnprJ9Q1e0cJ. To post to this group, send email to r

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I often stop and eat a bunch of berries on the way home from work. I have shellac on my bars, so the tape doesn't stain, but I'm now wondering, would berry stains count as beausage. :-) On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Zack wrote: > Today, on my maiden voyage for the new Sam Hillborne, I rememb

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I've been sittin' on the sidelines on this, but, I suppose I should pitch in a bit... Twenty years ago, I was a lean 19-yr-old, 6' tall, 150lb infantry Marine. Before then, I could eat anything, wouldn't gain a pound. When I got out several years later, I was more like 180lbs; heavier, but s

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycogen On Aug 18, 2011, at 6:37 AM, robert zeidler wrote: > Glycogen is not a body thing. Glycogen won't move from your arms to > your legs. Once your legs are depleted, that's it. As I understand > it (I'm not a doctor nor do I play one on TV, but I did stay at

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Glycogen is not a body thing. Glycogen won't move from your arms to your legs. Once your legs are depleted, that's it. As I understand it (I'm not a doctor nor do I play one on TV, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night), fat as a fuel needs something to burn it, and that is some for

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On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:31 AM, grant wrote: > Coco-milk is good, too. Low-carb, high-pota. Freeze it, let it thaw > halfway, and the liquidy part half is super sweet--I think the sugar > in it is first-to-thaw. Then you drink the sweety coconut part. The > bad part is, the remaining chunk that

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Aside from the occasional tiny bowl of Ben & Jerry's Coffee Health Bar Crunch, my own personal/done good treat is a pretty low carb mixup of Trader Joe's NonFat Greek Yogurt (oddly or mislabeledly, it has fewer carbs than the lo-far or full-fat Greek---and all Greeks have way less than nonGreeks).

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I'm definitely interested in losing weight and couldn't really care how fast I ride. I'm just unable at this time to sustain several days of riding for 2 hours each one and one day of rest doesn't seem to be enough. I'm not eating during my rides and only drink water. Trying to follow the low carb

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All of this depends on what your goals are and how you "train"..I'm interested in losing body fat and could care less if I win the local triathlon or whatever. There is no reason in my mind to load up, eat while riding or recover utilizing starchy carbs. You can get the same thing from vegetab

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On Aug 17, 2011, at 1:16 AM, charlie wrote: > Actually, I suppose Grok nibbled on nuts and berries along the way > too. Grok probably ate everything he could get his hands on whenever it was available, his food supply being unpredictable. That's why agriculture developed. -- You received thi

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You'd be better off to eat more than a little fruit.maybe a medium amount. I think sometimes just taking a break and having a meal is perfect. I mean if your goal is (just) to get somewhere, take a break. If you are training for some kind of event I guess you have to eat on the ride but I f

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Thanks, Everyone, for the input. I rode today and got in six hours, stopped after three hours at the Dairy Queen drive-through and got a triple cheese burger, side order of fries and a big-ass coke. No bonk! seriously... just going with a little fruit now, we'll see how it goes. regards all a

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When that happens eat more fats and protein plus veggies not carbs. I just eat a big steak and a huge salad then top it off with strawberries and home made whip cream using stevia to 'sweeten'. It satiates me just fine, is low carb and I get enough calories. Doing this now for a while and still los

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Today, on my maiden voyage for the new Sam Hillborne, I remembered that a friend had let me know about a wild blackberry stash in town. I rode over, picked berries, turned my hands red, and ate them. I then rode home. Pretty solid way to spend the day. I'll put some pics up later. Nothin

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I've had a tough time with this aspect of long rides, paleo or not, and tend to get a "sweet stomach" from gatorade, energy gels, blocks, etc, but on longer rides I bonk if I don't eat, which ruins the ride (or hike or ski, or whatever) and presents a dilemma. I tend to do best eating eggs, sausa

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Well you have to ask yourself the real question.that is, If you are eating "paleo" are you exercising paleo? Unless you are riding at a lower pace (similar to the output of a walker) you will need to consume a higher amount of carbohydrate. Fruit and veggies are the natural thing for that. If y

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I have long considered dates to be the original powerbar, and will eat them but have to be pretty darn desperate before I'll eat any bar. Obviously though many people are just the opposite. What I do like for long ride refueling is a ham sandwich, or two, made with the best ham and bread I can fi

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I went looking for a Larabar recipies and found this http://www.healthhabits.ca/2010/06/18/homemade-larabar-recipes/ i was curious how this woman eats 2 bars per workout! How long does she work out, are these bars less calories then regular energy bars? They do not look appetizing (i find very fe

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There are energy bars that are low in carbs and sugar but high in protein. You just have to read many labels at the store to find them. They tend to be targeted at body builders. They are filling. On Aug 14, 5:30 pm, reynoldslugs wrote: > Sorry to resuscitate a dying thread, but here goes: > >

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My experience has shown, (I'm about the same age as Grant, what 29?), that once glycogen is gone it's gone. I'm 6'6" and around 230. I keep track of stuff like mileage, wattage etc., purely as a interesting thing to do. Haven't raced since '92, and ride mostly solo because I want to do what I wa

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It may not sound very healthy but I love having a giant Payday bar on a long ride, the peanuts for some protein, the goo that holds them together for carbs, and the salt on the nuts for some electrolytes. For me it is the perfect ride food. I do eat a lot of fruit, found a farm stand in the middle

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Larabars are mostly dates with just a couple of additional ingredients (no chemicals), depending on the flavor. For instance, the "cashew cookie" flavor contains just dates and cashews. They are convenient for long rides since they come wrapped in serving-sized portions. I like the boxes of 1

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Having decided to take the Paleo Plunge, I too wondered about what to carry on longish rides. I finally settled on a tin of kipper snacks or a beef stick along with two Kleen Kanteens, one filled with water the other half full of a dry red wine (following the fermentation process the only carbs le

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The long thing below from yesterday is not complete. There are things it doesn't address (gluconeogenesis, cortisol, and their effect on fuel usage)..but for a nudge in the right direction...it is good enough. I should have said "old timey Eskimos" eat nothing but meat...since I'm sure new timey on

[RBW] Re: What would Taubes put in a Boxy (or Candy Bar) Bag for a long ride

Lewis and Clark ate 9 pounds of meat a day, and hardly any anything else. Eskimos eat muscle and fat only. There are historical precendents for it, even in high-active people (can't bring myself to write "peoples") I've thought/obsessed over/read about this a lot in the last year and a half, and a

[RBW] Re: What would Taubes put in a Boxy (or Candy Bar) Bag for a long ride

Nuts. I really enjoy the challenge of shelling and consuming pistachios while riding up steep grades. Bonus: it helps improve bicycle handling skills. Seriously, I enjoy almonds, walnuts, pecans, macadamia. My riding buddies and I make homemade "Larabars" to consume during longer rides. He

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You can get Garth's suggestion of dates with Zach's for nuts in the pre-fab form of a Lara bar. Despite the variety of flavors, they're all basically some combination of nuts and dates or other dried fruits, with no added sugar or other b.s. I like the one called cashew cookie. Peanut butter is

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Oysters :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/6u7EO0Sa4msJ. To post to this gr

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Thanks for the replies. I'm going in for fruit. Dates and Prunes. How Many Pitts to Pittsburgh? Thanks. RL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubs

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macadamia nuts, pepperoni or salami, some almonds, fruit. i have also seen some crazy paleo bar and cookie recipes, but they tend to use tons of honey. not sure how i feel about those. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To