I guess another question would be can you expect steering to be twitchy
when all your leverage it behind the steering axis instead of in front like
you find on all drop bar bikes?
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 1:59:17 PM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:
> I am considering a Roadini and not sure if
Your second question is, I think, where things stand. I've ridden lots of
upright bars with varying stem lengths and there isn't much difference in
steering feel, they all have a bit of what the recumbent folks call tiller
effect. I try to buy frames that give me good reach to Boscos without
ne
Of course it might be worse on your current bike than any Rivendell. I have
an old/cheap Marin hybrid with Boscos and the nervous/tiller effect on that
one is kinda ridiculous, Rivs don't act like that.
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:19:39 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
> Your second question
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 4:59:17 PM UTC-4 eddietheflay wrote:
My current bike has Billie bars installed on a very tall adjustable stem.
Effective top tube on this bike is 59.5cm. Reach to both the rear portion
at the grips and front portion at the curves seems quite comfortable. But
wh
Eddie, for what it's worth: when I bought an old Atlantis (that has the
much more compact size and geometry than current Atlantis models) it had a
Noodle drop bar on a medium length stem — a pretty standard Rivendell
build. I couldn't ride it for more than a few miles without experiencing
terri
Wow. All I can say is that the steering is not at all twitchy on either my Clem or Gus, both with Bosco’s. Clem has a 135 stem, Gus 100. It has been a long time since I rode drop bars but compared to my mtb’s with relatively straight bars with short stems, the Riv’s under steer a little bit. But ot
So Joe I understand the concept of tiller as in the olden days a did a
couple of years on bents. My more specific question is if a bike has a
shorter top tube which requires more stem length to "reach" proper reach,
then does some of the tiller affect get reduced?
On Sunday, September 10, 2023
Well Eddie there are cans of worms and then there are #10 can of worms ,
and this is a whole case of them !
First off, the amount of sensitivity in steering inputs, that feeling,
largely depends on the design of the frame. I've had two bike set up as
identical as they can be with Albatross ba
Garth opens up another can of worms with perception. Am I aware that
there's a smidge of tiller effect on my custom and significantly more on
Cheap Old Hybrid? Yes. Do I actually perceive this on rides? Nope. I like
the bars and the bikes go and turn and stop and I haven't a care in the
world,
More specifically Eddie, I don't think using a bar like the Billie on a
Roadini is a good idea to begin with if you find yourself wanting to move
forward for a more stable steering experience. You be much better of with a
shallow drop bar. Personally, I don't think having high bars lives up to
I need my bars quite high cuz I'm old and my neck aches badly when my head
is hanging over drop bars. I have considered tall stem and drop bars. I
guess that would mean shorter top-tubed bike in order to make the reach to
the hoods on drop bars comfortable.
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:17
Eddie,
When I first rode a Clem with Bosco bars it was so different from drop bars
below the saddle level that steering seemed odd. It took a few rides to
settle in to the upright position and having the bars above the saddle and
coming back toward me, if that makes sense. Like you though I was
I have never tried really high-mounted drop bars like these
ones: http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2010/05/drop-bar-diaries.html
And for me that would be mostly about the aesthetics. Swept back bars look
cooler and less weird that high-mounted drop bars. I wonder if the steering
would "seem" signi
Hello Doug, I have been riding Billie bars on three bikes for nearly two
years. I can do just fine but still notice I am less steady when my hands
are on the grips while descending at speed. Could be that I am so upright
that my center of gravity compared to drop bars is making things a less
st
I do wonder if the long wheelbase makes my Clem more stable in general. I
hope you find the right setup for your bike.
Doug
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 8:41 AM eddietheflay wrote:
> Hello Doug, I have been riding Billie bars on three bikes for nearly two
> years. I can do just fine but still notice
Doug, my guess is that headtube angle and trail on the Clem probably adds
to steadier steering. Riv does not seem to publish trail numbers but as I
understand it trail is key to steering characteristics.
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:47:46 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
> I do wonder if the long
Precisely.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 10, 2023, at 9:43 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:Garth opens up another can of worms with perception. Am I aware that there's a smidge of tiller effect on my custom and significantly more on Cheap Old Hybrid? Yes. Do I actually perceive this on rides? Nope. I like the b
Eddie, your initial post asking " how does shorter or longer stem effect
steering?" has generated a a lot of interesting discussion about steering
dynamics - but it seems that what you really want to get at is which size
Roadini will work best for you with upright bars.
You might start by taki
In your original post you refer to your "current bike" with Billie bars.
Is that the Curtlo that you are selling over on the iBob list? If so,
for the benefit of the commenters, you said that Curtlo was designed to
emulate a Rambouillet.
I've got two comments: First, I'm not crazy about y
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