[RBW] Who is using bike lights?

2020-08-20 Thread Joel
2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in daylight. I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your thoughts and experiences are welcome. Thanks Joel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch

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2020-08-20 Thread Patrick Moore
Joel: I'm glad you were not hit, Ads appear from time to time advertising the "brightest tail light" and while I've not seen any recently I think NiteRider and Cygolight make 2 of the bright ones. But I wonder if bright lights, any more than neon-yellow clothing, will make much difference in brigh

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2020-08-20 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch
Joel: There are many lights out there that will make you more visible to vehicles, but I wouldn’t bet my life on any of them. I believe there’s more safety in being aware of what’s happening around you at all times, wearing brightly colored/contrasting clothing, and assuming that motorists don’

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2020-08-20 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch
Amen, brother. Problem is that too many riders use “day-rated” lights in the dark. Like anything else, with taillights there is a point at which you have too much of a good thing. No, you don’t need a taillight that’s visible from a mile away! Regarding headlights, I always recommend a high-qua

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2020-08-20 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch
I too am glad you are safe and sound. I second Eric's wisdom, and add that the super bright flashing day headlights that are more common overload my bludgeoned brain, and end rides when I've been caught unawares ... not good for people with neurological issues, and some of them may be driving o

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2020-08-20 Thread lambbo
Hi from NYC; Dynamo lights and a loud bell or two. I use running lights day and night, not super bright, just normal DYNAMO lights, pointed not into people's eyes but at the ground. I re-adjust the light if it gets dark and no one is around, easily by reaching towards my bar mounted headlight

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2020-08-20 Thread Joel Stern
Some lady coming out of a store parking light decided she could beat me (going straight on the road) less than 200 feet away. Really pissed me off. Then on my next turn a white BMW driven by a kid from another lot came up really fast trying to avoid stopping before turning. I usually cut through

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2020-08-20 Thread Joel Stern
Thanks Eric. I don’t ride at night, now that I am retired I get out early as I can especially in the heat. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:58 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch < rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Joel: > > There are many lights out there that will make you more visible to

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2020-08-20 Thread Joel Stern
I read a study that pretty much said that https://www.roadbikerider.com/incisive-new-studies-on-cyclist-visibility-d3/ On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:55 PM Patrick Moore wrote: > Joel: I'm glad you were not hit, > > Ads appear from time to time advertising the "brightest tail light" and > while I've

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2020-08-20 Thread Joel Stern
Thanks everyone for your thoughtful replies. I have great info and lights to now look at. I never used lights during the day, that very well might change. My old Cateye blinking red light is useless in daylight. I’ve seen many riders using lights since returning to riding, not a a bad idea but

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2020-08-20 Thread Robert Tilley
secure mobile device From: jrster...@gmail.comSent: August 20, 2020 4:55 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Who is using bike lights? Some lady coming out of a store parking light decided she could beat me (going straight on

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2020-08-20 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch
Lights won't help these situations, only remaining calm and mindful and not entering into the rush that they are. Easier said than done sometimes. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 5:55:07 PM UTC-6, Joel wrote: > > Some lady coming out of a store parking light decided she cou

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2020-08-20 Thread Patrick Moore
Bright lights aren't going to help with these idiots, at least during daylight*. I've had the same thing happen to me; am pleased when I get close enough to whack the rear fender as the car goes by as I've managed to do once or twice; have so far refrained from throwing something hard and heavy. N

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2020-08-20 Thread Patrick Moore
I read just the opposite, but I've forgotten the source. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 5:57 PM Joel Stern wrote: > I read a study that pretty much said that > > https://www.roadbikerider.com/incisive-new-studies-on-cyclist-visibility-d3/ > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:55 PM Patrick Moore wrote: > >> J

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2020-08-20 Thread Patrick Moore
After I actually read the thing ... Moving legs, not stationary torso -- big difference! Likewise, blinkies and not steady lights. I've read similar things elsewhere, for example about lights mounted on the legs, which apparently are more noticeable to drivers than lights mounted on the bike. I in

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2020-08-21 Thread Toshi Takeuchi
The study referenced below asked the viewers when they were confident they saw a cyclist. The study did not ask when they saw a potential road hazard/something to watch out for. Therefore they could see a bright shirt and think, well maybe it's a pedestrian or a construction worker, but not a cyc

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2020-08-21 Thread Joel Stern
Yeah, it had flaws for sure . I’ve lost all of my words should say giving away all of my cycling jerseys and I’m gonna need to pick up some bright colored T-shirts and other things to be seen when I’m riding. I don’t ride at night so that’s not an issue but these people should be able to see me. A

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2020-08-21 Thread David Hays
Joel, Another thing I find critical to feeling safe and I’m not sure if anyone brought it up is a mirror. It helps so much to be aware of things especially as one's flexibility isn’t what it once was. David > On Aug 21, 2020, at 7:15 PM, Joel Stern wrote: > > > Yeah, it had flaws for sure .

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2020-08-21 Thread Joel Stern
David, I always use a mirror, feel naked with out one. I have the kind that goes on a pair of glasses. For me this makes a real difference. I found a decent one made in the USA on amazon if you need a link let me know. I had one of the Chuck Harris ones that rivendell sold, still have one that fits

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2020-08-21 Thread Eric Floden
For much of the 1970s I worked in motorcycle safety for a variety of employers*. And I got familiar with the work of Dr. Harry Hurt. (Ja, funny name for motorcycle safety researcher...) I got to read his papers as they were issued, and my own takeaway is this: road users do not FAIL to see other u

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2020-08-23 Thread ascpgh
"Day rated" lighting has been heavily abused into the dusk and dark by consumer grade cyclists, each flash burning a point of your retina out of service until adequate refractory time has allowed it to normalize. A drivers field of vision in the daytime is a vast image with lots of complexity

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2020-08-23 Thread ascpgh
Autocorrect error: should have been "*...instantly redeemable bad karma...* " Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 8:07:07 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote: > "Day rated" lighting has been heavily abused into the dusk and dark by > consumer grade cyclists, each flash burning a point of

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2020-08-23 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch
Amen, brother. Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy > On Aug 23, 2020, at 5:07 AM, ascpgh wrote: > > There is a waiting room in Hell with a bench reserved for cyclists who ride > in the dusk or dark of night with daytime flashing lights, reservations made

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2020-08-24 Thread Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA
With respect to visibility and lighting, I read somewhere that overall visibility is correlated with the size of the light, rather than its intensity. This made sense to me because lights don't have infinite energy supplies, so your 1 watt of LED light energy can be concentrated into one small

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2020-08-24 Thread Peter White
I'm not so sure that having drivers more used to cyclists is all that helpful. I grew up in Boston and spent much of my adult life in the suburbs west of Boston; 1974 to 2002. Since then I've lived in a small town in south/central New Hampshire. It's very hilly around here so most of the natives ha

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2020-08-24 Thread George Schick
What Peter says. I'm reminded in particular of a discussion I had with some of my farmer cousins who live in rural SE Missouri, which has very hilly, winding back roads. They were complaining about not being able to see cyclists when they came roaring over one of those hills or bends until th

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2020-09-06 Thread masmojo
On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 11:04:36 AM UTC-5, Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA wrote: > > With respect to visibility and lighting, I read somewhere that overall > visibility is correlated with the size of the light, rather than its > intensity. This made sense to me because lights don't have infi

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2020-09-06 Thread Patrick Moore
Speaking of blinding lights contrasted with useful illumination: Back about 2002 or so I bought NiteRider's then brand-new, state-of-art, truly dentist-level-price arc light system, headlamp and tail lamp (was the tail lamp an early LED? I forget). That thing was so bright that, when I rode down ou