Re: [RBW] silver shifter slip under load

2020-10-12 Thread dougP
I have the new version 2 Silvers on my Atlantis. The right one works fine but the left one seems overly fussy. I'm wondering if the FD has more resistance or a stronger spring than the RD? Naturally, I've checked out all the usual suspects & everything is good. Installed new cables with the

Re: [RBW] silver shifter slip under load

2020-10-12 Thread Nikko in Oakland
Shoulda updated y'all!! *> And I had incorrectly run the cable at the pinch bolt. I had been going under the tab, I needed to go over top the tab (consulted installation manual and some forums). This changed the leverage a bit to my advantage* Yes, I actually did the *sme *thing. Once I ru

Re: [RBW] silver shifter slip under load

2020-10-12 Thread Eric Marth
Installed Silver (v1) shifters on Shimano pods last night/this morning. I had a problem very similar to what Nikko described above. The lever for the rear derailleur worked like a dream. But the one operating the front mech was difficult to use. Surly LHT, Albatross bars, Shimano pods. Front d

Re: [RBW] silver shifter slip under load

2020-10-12 Thread Eric Marth
Nikko – I'm having the same problem with a set of Silvers I installed today. Anything improve your shifting? On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 8:32:24 PM UTC-4 Nikko in Oakland wrote: > Hey Sam, > > I just got some brand new Silver Shifters (v1) today that I put on with > some VO thumbies. I'm h

Re: [RBW] silver shifter slip under load

2020-10-09 Thread JohnS
I second the N+1 for the cassette cog count to the chain. I have a Shimano 9 speed cassette and a 10 speed SRAM chain ( PC-1031), work very well together with my Suntour down tube shifters. RD shifter stays put, but the FD shifter comes loose with frequent shifting. I just keep tightening the D

Re: [RBW] silver shifter slip under load

2020-10-08 Thread Patrick Moore
BTW, the finicky chain tracking is not necessarily related to slipping shifters; I've had it happen with shifters that never slipped. But for slipping, to repeat it again, loudly: blue Loctite fixed my Silvers as it did the old Campy Record DT shifters that are notorious for loosening, and that I u

Re: [RBW] silver shifter slip under load

2020-10-08 Thread Patrick Moore
Again, blue Loctite solved the slipping problem with my first gen Silver BES. On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 7:50 AM lambbo wrote: > Nikko, I've had the same problem with my Silver 2 Shifters...very handsome > but (besides immediate rusting on the bolts) they just don't really work - > I have to tighten

Re: [RBW] silver shifter slip under load

2020-10-08 Thread Patrick Moore
I've experienced finicky chain tracking myself on the middle cogs, but I've found one can replace the troublesome cogs with others of the same size that aren't as finicky. Even better, my most recent cassette, built out of real Miche 10-speed cogs (instead of 7, 8, and 9 speed leftovers from my cog

Re: [RBW] silver shifter slip under load

2020-10-08 Thread lambbo
Nikko, I've had the same problem with my Silver 2 Shifters...very handsome but (besides immediate rusting on the bolts) they just don't really work - I have to tighten them so much that they're hard to shift, and then they slip back again a few shifts later. I don't have this problem with my ol

Re: [RBW] silver shifter slip under load

2020-10-08 Thread lconley
Note that if you use brake housing or non-index shifter cable housing for your shifter cable housing, it can cause derailleur movement under load and when turning if your shifters are bar or stem mounted. This was not of concern back when freewheels had five (yes I am old) or six widely spaced

Re: [RBW] silver shifter slip under load

2020-10-08 Thread Garth
FWIW, I've noticed on my 9sp 12-36 cassette the middle cogs in particular have to spot-on with the chain in order to hold the gear. Contrast that to my Sachs 7sp FW that offers a whole lotta leeway in that regard. The cassette cogs are so contoured/shaped to facilitate ease of shifts with

Re: [RBW] silver shifter slip under load

2020-10-07 Thread Bill Lindsay
It sounds like it may be worthwhile for you to have a good mechanic inspect your setup. Diagnosis shouldn't take long for a good mechanic. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 10:06:11 AM UTC-7 Sam Perez wrote: > Interesting perhaps it's also somthing else in the driv

Re: [RBW] silver shifter slip under load

2020-10-07 Thread Sam Perez
Interesting perhaps it's also somthing else in the drivetrain. Like the cassette? I have had the bike for 8 years but this one was seldom used. Let's see if the locktight not only helps with lever slip but with the pedals free spinning for a quarter revolution at random times, as a possible slip sy

Re: [RBW] silver shifter slip under load

2020-10-06 Thread Patrick Moore
Sam: FWIW, I used my Silvers, original version, with an old 8-speed-era XT rd as well as several others; I didin't notice that slippage was worse with the XT than with the Dura Ace or Microshift or LX reverse pull, but at any rate, blue Loctite kept the lever firm with all these derailleurs. (And,

Re: [RBW] silver shifter slip under load

2020-10-06 Thread Sam Perez
I'm begining to think the xt rear derailleur has a big part in it. It's a thick steel mt bike frame I'm sure flex has a minor part bc I tried to slowly crank up a hill without leveraging the bars as to not flex the bike, and the silver shifter slipped to the next gear. After a few shifts it only

Re: [RBW] silver shifter slip under load

2020-10-06 Thread Nikko Mendoza
Hey Sam, I just got some brand new Silver Shifters (v1) today that I put on with some VO thumbies. I'm having a similar-ish problem and wondering if you're experiencing the same, but more along the lines of the problem J L mentioned (spring return) . My problem is that the shifting for the front

Re: [RBW] silver shifter slip under load

2020-10-06 Thread Patrick Moore
Note that the levers would loosen and slip even when the plastic tension washers were whole. Blue Loctite solved the slipping problem but not the washer breakage (or shifter body breakage) problem. On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 5:30 PM Patrick Moore wrote: > I applied blue Loctite to the tension bolts,

Re: [RBW] silver shifter slip under load

2020-10-06 Thread Patrick Moore
I applied blue Loctite to the tension bolts, and this worked. But the need to do this, and my experience of breaking 2 right-side Silver shifter bodies when my bikes fell over, took me back to the old Suntour Bar Cons -- where I have to use blue Loctite anyway to ensure that the shiny and very hard

Re: [RBW] silver shifter slip under load

2020-10-06 Thread J L
Some derailers have a stronger return spring than others. I would put it further down the list, though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw

Re: [RBW] silver shifter slip under load

2020-10-06 Thread Clayton Scott
Maybe add a little blue loctite or beeswax to the bolts. Clayton Scott HBG, CA On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 2:09:27 PM UTC-7, Sam Perez wrote: > > It's the original silver shifters , they were in storage and not used > untill now. The washers seem okay but I'll look into the new ones . > > On

Re: [RBW] silver shifter slip under load

2020-10-06 Thread Sam Perez
It's the original silver shifters , they were in storage and not used untill now. The washers seem okay but I'll look into the new ones . On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 8:56 AM Jay Lonner wrote: > Are these OG Silvers or Silver Mk II? I several sets of the originals (and > the the Suntour Sprints they wer

Re: [RBW] silver shifter slip under load

2020-10-06 Thread Jay Lonner
Are these OG Silvers or Silver Mk II? I several sets of the originals (and the the Suntour Sprints they were based on) and the weak point in the system is the little plastic washer that sits right under the bolt. If that’s cracked or missing you won’t be able to snug things down enough. Luckily

[RBW] silver shifter slip under load

2020-10-06 Thread Sam Perez
hi guys, how do you keep your silver shifters form slipping under load, i tighten the retention bolt but when i play with it it slowly loosens with multiple shifts, i do lots of hills and need confidence that i wont ghost shift under load. thanks -- You received this message because you are subs