Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-08 Thread Shaun Meehan
Ha! That picture is great. The saddle on that bike looks insanely uncomfortable. Now I think I understand what people mean when they say ass hatchet. Shaun Meehan On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Brewster Fong bfd...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, June 7, 2013 6:00:58 AM UTC-7,

Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-08 Thread Ron Mc
it's a cute cartoon, and we could use it to bash a lot of people if we want, but it's just jokes On Saturday, June 8, 2013 8:04:23 AM UTC-5, meehan...@gmail.com wrote: Ha! That picture is great. The saddle on that bike looks insanely uncomfortable. Now I think I understand what people mean

Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-08 Thread Hugh Smitham
Ron Mc, Correct. Hugh Sunland, Ca On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: However, it's not the technological revolution these billboards want us to believe. It's probably the right edge for a serious racer, but there are people buying them who don't know better

Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-08 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I installed a wireless computer on a high end (Dura Ace Electric 11) Specialized cf bike that had platform pedals and a seatpost rack with trunk bag attached to the cf seatpost. The owner said he loved it. To do him justice, the bike was given him by a friend who had to give up cycling.

Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-08 Thread Mike
Patrick M. and Peter M. make good points. One of the things I like about this list is that it's generally civil respectful. Sure, snarky remarks can be made. I know I've contributed my share, but overall there seems to be a healthy element of respect and not taking ourselves too seriously. I

Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-07 Thread Shaun Meehan
Being familiar with Grant P.'s feelings carbon bicycles, and this group's strong preference for steel and in particular, lugged steel bikes; it seems a bit unrealistic to request that this group not engage in anti-carbon discussion. I would imagine it's akin to going to a group with a fondness for

Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-07 Thread Ron Mc
graphite fly rods on the bamboo fly rod board, etc. On Friday, June 7, 2013 8:00:58 AM UTC-5, meehan...@gmail.com wrote: Being familiar with Grant P.'s feelings carbon bicycles, and this group's strong preference for steel and in particular, lugged steel bikes; it seems a bit unrealistic

Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-07 Thread redsydude
When I started following rbw discussions four years ago it seems like there were frequent debates about things like carbon vs steel that would go on for days with literally hundreds of posts. I understand that for long term members those debates were just a tedious rehash of stuff that they

Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-07 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I don't think it's unreasonable at all to ask members *not* to bad mouth CF without evidence of its defects. This is simply asking listers to be reasonable. Mere expression of bias against this, that, or the other because one doesn't happen to like it is clearly irrational and it is a great way to

Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-07 Thread Peter Morgano
I would say keep criticisms limited to the bikes and products, not to their riders. We all know that CF guy and he isn't a bad dude, is he? On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 4:00 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's unreasonable at all to ask members *not* to bad mouth CF

Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-07 Thread Brewster Fong
On Friday, June 7, 2013 6:00:58 AM UTC-7, meehan...@gmail.com wrote: Being familiar with Grant P.'s feelings carbon bicycles, and this group's strong preference for steel and in particular, lugged steel bikes; it seems a bit unrealistic to request that this group not engage in

Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-07 Thread Ron Mc
I just came from a shop that heads all the hill country sports events. They were assembling a new carbon bike for a guy standing there and waiting. All great folks, and my favorite shop. They were servicing the BB on the Team Fuji lugged steel frame I bought for my daughter to build on

Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-07 Thread Ron Mc
However, it's not the technological revolution these billboards want us to believe. It's probably the right edge for a serious racer, but there are people buying them who don't know better and would be better off on our kind of bikes. On Friday, June 7, 2013 3:39:28 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:

Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-07 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Great photo! If only it read Rivendell instead of Bridgestone! On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Brewster Fong bfd...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, June 7, 2013 6:00:58 AM UTC-7, meehan...@gmail.com wrote: Being familiar with Grant P.'s feelings carbon bicycles, and this group's strong

Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-07 Thread dougP
Some of my best riding buds ride CF. Some of them chuckle at my lugged steel bike. The coffee shop doesn't care what we ride, and we talk about travels, current events, books movies. No one cares seriously what material the other's bike is made from. It's just a bike. dougP On Friday,

Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-07 Thread Hugh Smitham
Yep. I don't bash anyone's bike materiel nor their clothing. I had a carbon bike and I loved it and I rode with lycra and well I felt like a dweeb also felt obligated to go fast.That got old quick. I got tired of returning a super duper light $150 saddle cause the plastic shell broke two times,

Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-06 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2013-06-06 at 13:39 -0700, pb wrote: On Thursday, June 6, 2013 8:17:24 AM UTC-7, Christopher Murray wrote: please oh please oh please let's not let this develop into an anti- carbon discussion. Lets just let everyone ride whatever kind of bike it is they want

Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-05 Thread Eric Platt
) Schwartz From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] on behalf of PATRICK MOORE [bertin...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 4:50 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Guys

Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE
When I see bulky, sweaty folk in tight lycra, I think more of large diameters in skinny tubes. But hell, they are riding, leavem alone. Patrick Moore, On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 3:53 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: One of my touring buds refers to them as large diameter people on skinny tires.

RE: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-04 Thread Marc Schwartz
] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 4:50 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys When I see bulky, sweaty folk in tight lycra, I think more of large diameters in skinny tubes. But hell, they are riding, leavem alone. Patrick Moore, On Tue, Jun 4