Re: [RDA-L] RDA media terms

From: J. McRee Elrod [m...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: July-27-13 12:15 PM To: Brenndorfer, Thomas Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA media terms >> >>In he RDA/ONIX framework for Content Type one checks off an attribute >>fo

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Thomas Brenndorfer said: >Three-dimensional artifact or naturally occurring object Artifacts are human made objects, and do not naturally occur. The two should not be lumped together. There is no such thing as a two dimensional artifact. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/artifact One of

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>thomas Brenndorfer said: >>Generated from MARC codes, "objects" in my system are flagged as >>"Three Dimensional Object (Artifact)" ... >Please explain to me how an object could be one, two, or four >dimensional. "Tooth dentist" as my Granny would have said had I used >a phrase like that. >Fro

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thomas Brenndorfer said: >Generated from MARC codes, "objects" in my system are flagged as >"Three Dimensional Object (Artifact)" ... Please explain to me how an object could be one, two, or four dimensional. "Tooth dentist" as my Granny would have said had I used a phrase like that. Not all o

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>"object" > could see using this for a rock, but for a Kobo or other equipment? >The RDA media terms include ones for resources I've not encountered in >over 50 years of cataloguing, and lacks terms for resources >encountered on a regular basis. Generated from MARC codes, "objects" in my system

[RDA-L] RDA media terms

"cartographic image" Does this mean "map"? If so, why not say "map"? "cartographic three-dimensional form" Does this mean "globe"? If so, why not say so? How can a "form" be other than three-dimensional? "tactile three-dimensional form" What might this b

Re: [RDA-L] RDA media terms and AACR2 GMDs

> -Original Message- > From: J. McRee Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca] > Sent: September 20, 2011 1:22 PM > To: Brenndorfer, Thomas > Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA media terms and AACR2 GMDs > > Thomas Brendorfer said: >

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Thomas Brendorfer said: >337 audio -- GMD sound recording >337 computer -- GMD electronic resource >337 microform -- GMD microform >337 video -- GMD videorecording Yes, but 338 is core and 337 is optional. Can we count on 337 always being present? There is also the problem, as you mention, of

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>From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access >[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Elizabeth O'Keefe >Sent: September 20, 2011 10:10 AM >To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA >Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA media terms and AACR2 GMDs >I

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Message-> From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access> [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle> Sent: September 20, 2011 12:20 AM> To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA> Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA media terms and AACR2 GMDs>> Quoting

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e GMDs. Thomas Brenndorfer Guelph Public Library > -Original Message- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle > Sent: September 20, 2011 12:20 AM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC

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Karen asked: >Yes, I did ask, and thanks. Given that there are GMDs that are not >listed here, could they be derived from 336-337 or a combination? Or >are some simply not covered by the RDA terms? GMDs not listed, we've never had occasion to use. If they were needed, we would, as you say, n

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Quoting "J. McRee Elrod" : Was it Karen who asked about RDA media terms relation to AACR2 GMDs? Yes, I did ask, and thanks. Given that there are GMDs that are not listed here, could they be derived from 336-337 or a combination? Or are some simply not covered by the RDA terms? kc Thes

[RDA-L] RDA media terms and AACR2 GMDs

Was it Karen who asked about RDA media terms relation to AACR2 GMDs? These are the GMDs we will be offering to insert in RDA records, based on 338 carrier, for clients who can not change from 336-338 display between collation and series. If exporting AACR2 GMDs in RDA records: If 338 is:

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Karen said: >Except that I've been told, off list, that there is not accepted set >of text that they would be summarized to, nor any crosswalk from GMD >to 336/7/8. Retrospective Introduction of 336 Content, 337 Media type, and 338 Carrier, with removal of 245|hGMD If LDR/07 = a or s; 008/2

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Jonathan said: >Rather than say 'fixed fields are meant for the computer, variable >fields for direct display and/or indexing', I think it probably makes >sense to distinguish between transcribed fields, and fields whose values >are taken from a finite controlled vocabulary. Happy to see you exem

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Quoting Karen Coyle : Quoting Julie Moore : I think that it is safe to say that most of us are sitting and waiting for our vendors to do something! I would bet that if I asked this question of vendors they would say: "We're waiting for our customers to tell us what they want!" Vendors im

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Karen pointed out to me that the Content/Media/Carrier Type elements are not covered by the document that I referenced. I was making this too hard. The mappings are actually part of the MARC 21 documentation. On any of the format pages for 336/337/338, there is a link to "Term and Code List

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Quoting Julie Moore : I think that it is safe to say that most of us are sitting and waiting for our vendors to do something! I would bet that if I asked this question of vendors they would say: "We're waiting for our customers to tell us what they want!" Vendors implement; the library com

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On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Karen Coyle > wrote: Also, I wonder if there isn't a relationship between the 336/7/8 (or: CCM) and what we can glean from the Leader, 008 and 007? Has that analysis been done? This was included as a set of appendixes to

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I think that it is safe to say that most of us are sitting and waiting for our vendors to do something! I know that while many have said that the 336/337/338 is for the computer and are not supposed to display. Because we do have RDA records coming in through our natural process these days, I am n

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On 9/12/2011 3:55 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: Quoting Jonathan Rochkind : Just like the system can process 336/337/338 to summarize as icons, it could process them to summarize as text too. Except that I've been told, off list, that there is not accepted set of text that they would be summarized

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There's no reason to restrict coded/controlled values to 'fixed fields'. I'm not entirely sure what we consider 'fixed fields' -- are the coded values in an eg 041 considered a fixed field? Those aren't 'fixed' byte size like say the 006 or 008, but they are controlled from a finite vocabular

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lph Public Library *From:*Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Adger Williams *Sent:* September 12, 2011 1:51 PM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] RDA media terms I have to offer a few reserva

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Johathan said: >Experience shows that you can encode these in an internally >consistent way, OR you can encode them in a way >that makes sense to >users, but you can't really do both ... Isn't this why MARC has fixed fields and variable fields? So that the fixed fields make sense to the compute

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> -Original Message- > From: J. McRee Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca] > Sent: September 12, 2011 1:11 PM > To: Brenndorfer, Thomas > Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA media terms > > Thomas said: > > >"Large print" is a man

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Adger, I have to agree with you on this. I also use III, and I certainly don't know what most of those icons are supposed to mean ... how is a patron supposed to know?! Many are useless to me. Julie On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Adger Williams wrote: > I have to offer a few reservations abo

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*On Behalf Of *Adger Williams *Sent:* September 12, 2011 1:51 PM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] RDA media terms I have to offer a few reservations about icons and communication. They're great until, they are incomprehensible. How many of us can tell what ALL t

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ptember 11, 2011 9:15 PM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA media terms > ... > > This reminds me of a question I have about many of RDA's media terms; > would patrons understand them? Would "Braille" be assumed from > "tactile text

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-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA media terms I have to offer a few reservations about icons and communication. They're great until, they are incomprehensible. How many of us can tell what ALL the icons next to the input jacks on the back of the computer signify? My ILS (Innovative) has diff

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gt; > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod > > Sent: September 11, 2011 9:15 PM > > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA media terms > >

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Thomas said: >"Large print" is a manifestation-level term. It's an attribute of the >carrier and not the content type. You've lost me. How does large print text differ from tactile text as content? Either may convey the same work. >"The boundaries of the entity expression are defined, however

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> -Original Message- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod > Sent: September 11, 2011 9:15 PM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA media ter

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I typoed: >It's good to know there is *textile* text other than Braille, a term >more familiar to patrons I suspect. *tactile* text of course. With some typos, spell check is no help. But it should have gotten "pring" for "print"! This reminds me of a question I have about many of RDA's media