Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback VFX input voltage cycling

2008-12-29 Thread Tump
I would first isolate your system. turn off all loads on the inverter, REPOLE. check the AC input AT the inverter, checking ALL AC input connections, pull on the wires , make sure they are tight. Ck the AC voltage at the generator then at the inverter. Is it possible to run a separate wire

[RE-wrenches] Maintenance agreements?

2008-12-29 Thread Geoff Greenfield
Hello and happy new year fellow listers...  I am happy (as are my batteries) for longer solar days as we move forward around the sun... I am faced with yet another client who is surprised that I don't have a maintenance agreement or plan to offer them (similar I guess to such plans

Re: [RE-wrenches] Maintenance agreements?

2008-12-29 Thread Joel Davidson
Hell Geoff, Maintenance agreements are no more easy money than any of your other labor earnings. Price maintenance work the same as other specialized labor and factor in travel time and costs and perhaps a little something extra for your client (who has become more than just a customer). The

Re: [RE-wrenches] Maintenance agreements?

2008-12-29 Thread Geoff Greenfield
Thanks Joel - I left unsaid how this can all differ with different customer classes (large commerecial VS  rural off-grid etc).  The obvious maint of batteries...  PPA agreements becoming a new type of entity...  The benefits of remote diagnostics via fat spaniel, win-verter and others...

Re: [RE-wrenches] Multi-structure PV install

2008-12-29 Thread Marv Dargatz
Kurt, The NEC provides for, and the AHJs have accepted the use of the connectors as a form of disconnect. Of course, each branch is also connected to a dedicated branch overcurrent device (circuit breaker). On the DC side, since only one module is connected to each inverter, the connectors

Re: [RE-wrenches] Multi-structure PV install

2008-12-29 Thread Jason Lombard
Kurt, I worked on a elderly housing site in northern Ca in which we connected to the main service on each structure (total of 12) or building. These were about 2kw each and combined over three or four apartments and in some cases a full flat roof with a tilt up to 6kw. All of them were grid tied

Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter with two strings of different orientation

2008-12-29 Thread Peter Parrish
Thanks Bob, these are really great reference articles. The equation for Vmp had four terms, three of which are temperature dependent. So I think we put that issue to bed. The reason that this issue is so important for us is this: if Vmp is temperature dependent, then there must be some loss when

Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter with two strings of different orientation

2008-12-29 Thread Starlight Solar, Yuma, AZ
I have pondered this problem often. Here's my thoughts: If you could disconnect the two orientations and monitor them simultaneously, in the morning the easterly array would have a higher Vmp while the westerly array would necessarily be lower. This relationship would change throughout the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter with two strings of different orientation

2008-12-29 Thread Mark Frye
Peter, What are you modelling for annualized soiling loss? What is the basis for that value, margin of error? With industry standards for soiling in the range 5 to 7%, are you not seeing the forrest for the trees, looking so closely at effects of multiple orientations of separate strings. Go

Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter with two strings of different orientation

2008-12-29 Thread boB
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:32:42 -0700 From: Starlight Solar, Yuma, AZ la...@starlightsolar.com I have pondered this problem often. Here's my thoughts: If you could disconnect the two orientations and monitor them simultaneously, in the morning the easterly array would have a higher Vmp while

Re: [RE-wrenches] Multi-structure PV install

2008-12-29 Thread Kurt Albershardt
--On Monday, December 29, 2008 8:29 AM -0800 Marv Dargatz mdarg...@enphaseenergy.com wrote: The NEC provides for, and the AHJs have accepted the use of the connectors as a form of disconnect. Of course, each branch is also connected to a dedicated branch overcurrent device (circuit

Re: [RE-wrenches] Multi-structure PV install

2008-12-29 Thread Kurt Albershardt
--On Monday, December 29, 2008 10:06 AM -0700 Jason Lombard openhandso...@gmail.com wrote: I worked on a elderly housing site in northern Ca in which we connected to the main service on each structure (total of 12) or building. I'm assuming all those buildings have service billed to the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback VFX input voltage cycling

2008-12-29 Thread Christopher Freitas
Ron - Tech support is open today and should be able to help you troubleshoot this in a step-by-step process that will discover the root problem. I am a bit confused by the descriptions of the events and have the following questions and comments: When you tested just the inverter

Re: [RE-wrenches] Maintenance agreements?

2008-12-29 Thread Joel Davidson
Hi Geoff, Hung over? Naay. I'm too excited about PV in the coming year. Washington has finally shifted away from Reagan's anti-solar. Here's hoping that the rest of the US out-shines California's booming solar industry. Model your battery maintenance agreements similar to UPS agreements. Some

Re: [RE-wrenches] Multi-structure PV install

2008-12-29 Thread Jason Lombard
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Kurt Albershardt i...@es-ee.com wrote: --On Monday, December 29, 2008 10:06 AM -0700 Jason Lombard openhandso...@gmail.com wrote: I worked on a elderly housing site in northern Ca in which we connected to the main service on each structure (total of 12) or

Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter with two strings of different orientation

2008-12-29 Thread Peter Parrish
Mark, What do I tell my clients about soiling? 96% if they clean them once a year. If they clean them on the 4th of July, they'll do a percentage point or two better. The Forest and the Trees: That's just the point. A bunch of trees makes a forest! A PV system can suffer from a score of small

Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter with two strings of different orientation

2008-12-29 Thread Bill Brooks
Peter, The more you work with IV curves, the better you will understand them. Since most people don't get the opportunity to use an IV curve tester, the understanding of the curves may need some help. As you pointed out in your constant temperature information below, it showed the MPP to be 2

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback VFX input voltage cycling

2008-12-29 Thread jay peltz
HI Christopher, I don't know if this is similar. I have a stacked 3648 unit, running in parallel at 120v. Being fed from a 240v generator with a X-240 as stepdown. Generator is a Onan 8.5kw. ( don't ask why its a long story) Unit did work OK for about 2 yrs. When you start the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback VFX input voltage cycling

2008-12-29 Thread Kirpal Khalsa
Hi Ron, Jay and all...It is easy to blame the generator because it is usually the generator causing the problem.One thing that we have run into on occasion is that the generator has been re-adjusted and tuned up but that the generator repair person does this only at an idle load.We

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback VFX input voltage cycling

2008-12-29 Thread jay peltz
Hi Kirpal, I understand and have sure seen lots of fixed generators that we not fixed. The guy who sells most of the generators I use used to be at Stanford labs, smart guy. I agree but I have never seen this type of problem, that is fixed by turning on a few lights. And to be clear,

Re: [RE-wrenches] Maintenance agreements?

2008-12-29 Thread Allan Sindelar
Geoff, Years ago we tried maintenance agreements. We gave up on the idea. Some of our lessons to share here: First, we never worked out a fair approach. There's no fixed charge that was both fair to client and to us. We finally realized that the small percentage of customers who were interested

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback VFX input voltage cycling

2008-12-29 Thread R Young
Hi Chris, My answers appear below: On 29-Dec-08, at 10:41 AM, Christopher Freitas wrote: When you tested just the inverter without the generator running – you stated that there was a noticeable flicker every 20 seconds – THE GENERATOR WAS RUNNING, IT'S JUST THAT I TURNED OFF ALL THE LOADS