Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Wiring methods

2013-11-14 Thread Bill Loesch
Hi William (and any other person who wishes to describe themselves as professional (designer, installer, etc.)), Please accept this note as confirmation that your evangelism on wire management has not fallen on entirely deaf ears. Additionally, I'm curious how the practice of requiring a

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Wiring methods

2013-11-14 Thread frenergy
William, Billfrom another Bill, Two things: For the rest of us (maybe it's just me?!) that's still trying to figure out how (or why) to stuff a MC4 connector into conduit and my hesitation in using SS wire ties for fear of the sharp edges cutting or chaffing into cables, I'm open

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Wiring methods

2013-11-14 Thread Kirpal Khalsa
Bill.we have been using the Hellerman Tyton Sunbundler cable tiesThey are braided stainless steel wire with a UV resistant vinyl jacketWe have been getting them in quantities of 500 for approximately $.59 eachfor the 12 length tiesWe like them alotthey do not have any sharp

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Wiring methods

2013-11-14 Thread August Goers
Hi All – I’m not sure whether Hellermann Tyton is related to Heyco, but I know of the SunBundler product through Heyco: http://www.heyco.com/Alternative_Energy_Products/pdf/1-15-new.pdf -August *From:* re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Wiring methods

2013-11-14 Thread Ray Walters
Where are you buying them from? I am so ready to move away from plastic zip ties. 59 cents is quite a bit, but that's actually doable. Last time I looked at SS ties, they were a couple bucks each. Thanks, R.Ray Walters CTO, Solarray, Inc Nabcep Certified PV Installer, Licensed Master

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Wiring methods

2013-11-14 Thread Kirpal Khalsa
Augustthank youyou are right they are actually a Heyco productmy bad!!! Ray, we recently got them thru http://www.heilind.com/products/heyco/Heyco_solar.asp Ray...Contact me off list and i will share my sales persons contact info.. Cheers, Sunny Regards, Kirpal Khalsa NABCEP

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Wiring methods

2013-11-14 Thread Jason Szumlanski
I know we've had this discussion before, but I wanted to again recommend the WireClips from PV Racking. We are using them on Enphase trunk lines, and find them to be great for this purpose. At $0.25 each, they are cost effective. That said, wire management is often a matter of strong opinion, and

[RE-wrenches] T-Bolts

2013-11-14 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Anyone know a supplier/manufacturer of the T-bolts that come with Unirac mid-clamps? Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings:

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Wiring methods

2013-11-14 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
We buy from Waytek Wire, about $0.33 each for stainless. http://tinyurl.com/k32wwbx Larry Crutcher (928) 342-9103 www.starlightsolar.com la...@starlightsolar.com Retail Store Warehouse 2998 Shari Ave. Yuma, Az 85365 USPS Postal Mail Only 11881 S Fortuna Road, #210 Yuma, AZ 85367 On

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Wiring methods

2013-11-14 Thread Benn At DayStarSolar
SS cable ties for ~.33/ea http://electricalwireties.com benn Sent from a 'smart' phone, with touch screen keys. Please excuse shortcuts and typos. On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Ray Walters r...@solarray.com wrote: Where are you buying them from? I am so ready to move away from plastic zip

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Wiring methods

2013-11-14 Thread Bill Brooks
William, I know your long-time stance on conduit. It has its place. This report was about an integrated PV system that caught fire because of a module failure-this was not a cable management issue. We can all jump on our respective soap boxes and pontificate-I have no problem with that. I

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Wiring methods

2013-11-14 Thread Bill Loesch
That said [PV WireClips], wire management is often a matter of strong opinion, and we are far from standardization and an accepted set of best practices. Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar Jason, Can your wire management procedures equal the 20, 25, or 30 year warranty your modules offer? I hope

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Wiring methods

2013-11-14 Thread Ray Walters
I'm ordering the Jason's PV wire clips. Vinyl coated metal will outlast any plastic sip, and they clip into the slot on the rails: much cleaner than a zip tie all the way around the rail. It doesn't cure all our wire management issues, but it looks like it will solve some of it. In

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Wiring methods

2013-11-14 Thread Ray Walters
I definitely think cable tray is a good compromise between conduit and loose zip tie wiring; I primarily question rodent protection. Even cable trays can go horribly wrong: I've seen them not supported properly and bend or even fall over spilling cables onto the roof or ground. R.Ray Walters

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Wiring methods

2013-11-14 Thread Bill Hoffer
Jason I just started using Nine Fasteners, Inc www.ninefasteners.com . 410 stainless wire management clips. Got turned on to them at SPI this year. They are awesome, same basic clip concept except they add a nice rounding along the edges that keeps it from cutting into the wire. A step above

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Wiring methods

2013-11-14 Thread jay peltz
Hi Bill, I get mine from PV-cables Less expensive and no minimum order Cheers, jay peltz power On Nov 14, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Bill Hoffer wrote: Jason I just started using Nine Fasteners, Inc www.ninefasteners.com . 410 stainless wire management clips. Got turned on to them at SPI