Objet : [REBOL] Re: What does REBOL fix?
Hi Jason,
On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, 3:19:18 PM, you wrote:
JC Simple includes not having to write the book first or explain it to
anyone.
[...]
Don't confuse simple with easy! And, of course, most times one
is going to do what's easier
Hi Jason,
On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, 3:19:18 PM, you wrote:
JC Simple includes not having to write the book first or explain it to anyone.
[...]
Don't confuse simple with easy! And, of course, most times one
is going to do what's easier, not what's simpler... but that
doesn't mean
REBOL: others define code, rebol expresses it
hmm... I like it
Can you explain the difference between 'define' and 'express' please?
- Jason
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On 17-Dec-03, Ged Byrne wrote:
Looking at it again, the challange was to describe
[the language] in terms of the problem it fixes. [1]
This is very different from a marketing slogan. For
example, the one-liner for lisp is
Lisp: Turing Machines are an awkward way to describe
Hi Carl,
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I was trying to get at that with...
REBOL: XML can't parse itself.
using a similar style to what's on the site. ie...
Pascal: Algol doesn't have enough data types.
Oh, now I get it. Excellent!
James:
NothingNothing is fixed in REBOL.
unfortunately that can also be read:
... it was broken from the start.
Okay, so how about:
REBOL -- It ain't broke and it ain't fixed.
Sunanda.
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REBOL: XML can't parse itself.
Isn't that what XSLT does ?
XSLT is like Rebol in some ways but much harder to read and not so much
fun..
- Jason
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JC What is essential is easy interoprability.
What is essential is simplicity. Any new piece you have to add
adds complexity, and complexity will in the end turn out against
you.
Yes very good point.
But there is a trade-off point where modularity aids and manifests
simplicity.
Go
Rebol strikes a very elegant balance I think.
What it still lacks is a smart IDE/browser component to help
one to move
faster with syntax and dialects.
Loaded dictionaries and context sensitive support.
I imagine that is a very hard thing to write. But perhaps
Rebol makes it
easy..
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Can we find a snappy one-liner?
http://www.paulgraham.com/fix.html
Sunanda.
Dialecting in Rebol, more fun than Latin!
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Marsden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:07 PM
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Subject: [REBOL] Re: What does REBOL fix?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can we find a snappy one-liner?
http://www.paulgraham.com/fix.html
Sunanda.
Dialecting in Rebol, more fun
Rebol - programming for dialecticians
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Hi, James,
Were you just joking? (OBTW, REBOL isn't the only language
that supports dialects...)
James Marsden wrote:
Dialecting in Rebol, more fun than Latin!
Damien Conway has actually written a Latin dialect for Perl!
[begin excerpt]
Lingua::Romana::Perligata -- Perl for the
Heehee, nice one Joel!
That Perl excerpt is truly marvellous - I must pass it off to a linguist
friend of mine - she'll love it :)
James.
Joel Neely wrote:
Hi, James,
Were you just joking? (OBTW, REBOL isn't the only language
that supports dialects...)
James Marsden wrote:
Dialecting
dont be fooled. Simple is hardest
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can we find a snappy one-liner
On 14-Dec-03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can we find a snappy one-liner?
http://www.paulgraham.com/fix.html
REBOL: XML can't parse itself.
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A J Martin napsal(a):
REBOL - When one language just isn't enough.
I like it. :-)
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On 14-Dec-03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can we find a snappy one-liner?
http://www.paulgraham.com/fix.html
Sassenrathian Dialectic:
Lisp is powerful; Logo is fun.
But C is practical.
Rebol is powerful, fun, and practical.
-- Stan Silver
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Hi Jason,
On Monday, December 15, 2003, 6:02:50 PM, you wrote:
JC Yes but that is still also true for HTML, XSLT, Perl, Python, PHP, Java, C,
JC etc..
How do you MOLD some PHP code and send it to another computer? ;-)
Regards,
Gabriele.
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Hi Jason,
On Monday, December 15, 2003, 8:26:50 PM, you wrote:
JC Simply I dont think it is essential or necessarily desirable to do it all in
JC one language.
JC What is essential is easy interoprability.
What is essential is simplicity. Any new piece you have to add
adds complexity,
On 14-Dec-03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can we find a snappy one-liner?
http://www.paulgraham.com/fix.html
(more in the spirit of the above web page)
Lisp is powerful. Logo is fun. But C is practical.
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Gabriele Santilli wrote:
Hi Jason,
On Monday, December 15, 2003, 6:02:50 PM, you wrote:
JC Yes but that is still also true for HTML, XSLT, Perl, Python, PHP, Java, C,
JC etc..
How do you MOLD some PHP code and send it to another computer? ;-)
Well, OTOH, AFAIK :-) (what an abbreviations
I like this.
How about taking it a little further:
REBOL - You want many languages running on many
machines, but a single, simple foundation.
--- Jason Cunliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
REBOL - When one language just isn't enough.
nice :-)
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Hi Petr,
On Tuesday, December 16, 2003, 11:02:46 AM, you wrote:
PK Well, OTOH, AFAIK :-) (what an abbreviations :-), Rebol is not fully
PK serialisable- is it?
We're not talking about generic data serialization; we're talking
about the fact that code is just data that you can manipulate and
- REBOL: The message is the medium.
- REBOL: Programming for block heads
- REBOL: Life's too short to write long programs
- REBOL: Fight carpal tunnel syndrome!
- REBOL: Good things come in small packages
- REBOL: Because Von Neumann was right!
- Real Expressiveness Based On diaLects
-
Gabriele Santilli wrote:
Hi Jason,
On Monday, December 15, 2003, 6:02:50 PM, you wrote:
JC Yes but that is still also true for HTML, XSLT, Perl, Python, PHP, Java, C,
JC etc..
How do you MOLD some PHP code and send it to another computer? ;-)
I don't know how you do it in PHP, but in
My hat in the ring:
REally BEautiful Language
(The BE because, REBOL is meant to be pronounced REBEL)
Regards
Sabu Francis
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Hi, Gabriele,
Gabriele Santilli wrote:
Hi Jason,
On Monday, December 15, 2003, 6:02:50 PM, you wrote:
JC Yes but that is still also true for HTML, XSLT, Perl, Python,
JC PHP, Java, C,
JC etc..
How do you MOLD some PHP code and send it to another computer? ;-)
I disclaim all
-Original Message-
From: Cribbs, Jamey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:28 AM
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Subject: [REBOL] Re: What does REBOL fix?
Gabriele Santilli wrote:
Hi Jason,
On Monday, December 15, 2003, 6:02:50 PM, you wrote:
JC Yes
Hi Joel,
--- Joel Neely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I disclaim all knowledge re PHP, but here's a
trivial Perl client
to fetch and execute/evaluate source from a remote
host.
use LWP::Simple;
eval get (http://your-site-here;);
I guess one has to decide whether a one-line
Can we find a snappy one-liner?
All User-Serviceable Parts Inside
(as opposed to the common sticker on many electronic appliances that
says No user-serviceable parts inside)
When I first HEARD about REBOL and who was writing it, I wanted to try
it because of its alleged simplicity. When I
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From: Ged Byrne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 11:59 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [REBOL] Re: What does REBOL fix?
Hi Joel,
--- Joel Neely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I disclaim all knowledge re PHP, but here's
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From: Ged Byrne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 11:59 AM
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Subject: [REBOL] Re: What does REBOL fix?
Looking at it again, the challange was to describe
[the language] in terms of the problem it fixes. [1
- REBOL: The message is the medium.
excellent :-)
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Hi, Maxim,
Maxim Olivier-Adlhoch wrote:
... In this case, rebol outdoes everybody, IMHO.
For security, you can just encrypt the data before sending it,
and even that is (rather) easy to integrate right in a protocol.
That's not the only security issue. Encrypting the source as it
Hi, Ged,
Ged Byrne wrote:
use LWP::Simple;
eval get (http://your-site-here;);
The code required to pass a string to another machine
and have it execute is simple enough, but it isn't
enough for the real world.
The code as given presents a massive security risk.
I completely
Ged, Joel et al,
OK, so after reading Ged's latest post:
REBOL: Because code really is just data
Now, the EVAL discussion interests me because I've been of the opinion
that while many other languages support an EVAL function it is
different than what REBOL does. Can you achieve the same
Hmm -
I see this topic has generated a few messages back and forth. I haven't read all of
them, those I have piqued my interest. REBOL is an interesting issue for me. I use
it almost every day, and yet I've never used it to produce an external system; all
the things I do in REBOL are to
Can we find a snappy one-liner?
Belatedly lobbing an answer in of my own...
NothingNothing is fixed in REBOL.
Sunanda.
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Hi Sunanda,
Sac NothingNothing is fixed in REBOL.
LOL! :) Brilliant!
-- Gregg
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Joel Neely wrote:
- REBOL: Life's too short to write long programs
Nice pick !
Shall I steal this line from you to explain my co-workers why I am a Rebol ?
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Gregg Irwin wrote:
Hi Sunanda,
Sac NothingNothing is fixed in REBOL.
LOL! :) Brilliant!
-- Gregg
unfortunately that can also be read:
... it was broken from the start.
and that is NOT an impression we want to convey :-(
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Hi Sunanda,
Sac Can we find a snappy one-liner?
Because every other language is trapped on just one computer.
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Hi, Ged,
Ged Byrne wrote:
Because every other language is trapped on just one computer.
Let's be fair. There are MANY languages that are highly portable
in today's world: Perl, Python, Ruby, Java, and a whole slew of
open-source efforts.
And we're still waiting for the MacOS/X version of
- Because Life is a dream and everythind and all Data is a stream
- ODTAA: one damn thing after another. Rebol serializes Data by default.
- Rebol - the Killer Serial App
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- Rebol fixes boredom and conformity..
- Rebol because its different and fun
- Rebol fixes itself :-)
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I'm wasn't referring to the availability of Rebol on
different platforms.
What I was referring to was the distributed nature of
Rebol, the facts that it is designed for writing
applications that run on several computers.
REBOL was designed to solve one of the fundamental
problems in computing:
What I was referring to was the distributed nature of
Rebol, the facts that it is designed for writing
applications that run on several computers.
Yes but that is still also true for HTML, XSLT, Perl, Python, PHP, Java, C,
etc..
- Jason
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Hi Ged et al
After reading your post, I'd like to submit a couple more ideas:
The world needed more than just another 'programming' language
It's all about communication
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Hi Jason
--- Jason Cunliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes but that is still also true for HTML, XSLT,
Perl, Python, PHP, Java, C,
etc..
- Jason
It is true for a combination of these languages.
For example, you may have PHP on the server emitting
XML that then gets transformed to HTML
, but in the end, being
part of the problem is much more fun.
-Original Message-
From: Gregg Irwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:48 PM
To: Ged Byrne
Subject: [REBOL] Re: What does REBOL fix?
Hi Ged et al
After reading your post, I'd like to submit a couple
With Rebol the one language does all of this. Rebol
handles the CGI, it describes the content and format
of the user interface. It describes how the interface
should react to user requests. The messages passed
between client and server are themselves dialects of
Rebol.
This is because
REBOL - When one language just isn't enough.
Andrew J Martin
Speaking in tongues and performing miracles.
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REBOL - When one language just isn't enough.
nice :-)
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- everybody can teach me a dialect
- lisp is scary
- other languages aren't portable
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Ladislav Mecir wrote:
- everybody can teach me a dialect
- lisp is scary
- other languages aren't portable
rebol - you don't have to choose between flexible, powerful, and easy to
understand
rebol - because nothing is more fun than rebol :)
rebol - because programming doesn't have to be
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Can we find a snappy one-liner?
http://www.paulgraham.com/fix.html
Sunanda.
REBOL - Because other languages are not elegant enough
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Am Sonntag 14 Dezember 2003 01:32 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Can we find a snappy one-liner?
http://www.paulgraham.com/fix.html
Sunanda.
Lisp and Rebol are like cats and dogs: Both understand you. But dogs like
teamwork, while cats ignore you climbing trees. :)
-Volker
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Hi Sunanda,
Sac Can we find a snappy one-liner?
Forth is scary and Logo isn't taken seriously.
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because syntax is scary
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can we find a snappy one-liner?
http://www.paulgraham.com/fix.html
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Re: What does REBOL fix?
Can we find a snappy one-liner?
http://www.paulgraham.com/fix.html
Sunanda.
Because Lisp is too scary
Because Arc is too late
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