Re: Decent Word / Excel Conversion: Not yet?

2002-12-12 Thread Anthony E. Greene
On 11-Dec-2002/17:11 -0600, Ed Wilts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We don't even need to start the war on my not ask your users to save all their documents in portable formats. Most don't know how - as far as they're concerned, the native Microsoft formats are all there are. FWIW, the best way to

Re: Decent Word / Excel Conversion: Not yet?

2002-12-12 Thread Anthony E. Greene
On 11-Dec-2002/15:36 -0800, nate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think longer term, the solution is not to work with them, but design a good open format. But before we even try to impose this format on the rest of the world, the open source/free software suites need to support it fully. Sofar I haven't

Re: Decent Word / Excel Conversion: Not yet?

2002-12-12 Thread Ed Wilts
On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 09:46:35AM -0500, Anthony E. Greene wrote: On 11-Dec-2002/17:11 -0600, Ed Wilts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We don't even need to start the war on my not ask your users to save all their documents in portable formats. Most don't know how - as far as they're concerned,

Re: Decent Word / Excel Conversion: Not yet?

2002-12-12 Thread Javier Gostling
On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 10:30:25AM -0600, Ed Wilts wrote: We need good conversion tools, that's all there is to it. We need to play in their world, not assume world domination by making them change. Have the issue play backwards. Send them documents in OpenOffice native formats. If they

Re: Decent Word / Excel Conversion: Not yet?

2002-12-12 Thread Anthony E. Greene
On 12-Dec-2002/10:30 -0600, Ed Wilts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 09:46:35AM -0500, Anthony E. Greene wrote: On 11-Dec-2002/17:11 -0600, Ed Wilts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We don't even need to start the war on my not ask your users to save all their documents in portable

Re: Decent Word / Excel Conversion: Not yet?

2002-12-12 Thread gabriel
On December 12, 2002 11:30 am, Ed Wilts wrote: We need good conversion tools, that's all there is to it. We need to play in their world, not assume world domination by making them change. it may sound naive, but it's not. how else can we expect people to stop using proprietary formats? wait

RE: Decent Word / Excel Conversion: Not yet?

2002-12-12 Thread Periyasamy, Raj
- From: gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 2:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Decent Word / Excel Conversion: Not yet? On December 12, 2002 11:30 am, Ed Wilts wrote: We need good conversion tools, that's all there is to it. We need to play in their world

Re: Decent Word / Excel Conversion: Not yet?

2002-12-12 Thread Michael A. Peters
On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 08:30, Ed Wilts wrote: That's naive. The vast majority of us have absolutely no control over somebody else's desktops. What if you decided to start sending me MS Word documents? Are you going to let me change your desktop? What about my customers? We need good

Re: Decent Word / Excel Conversion: Not yet?

2002-12-12 Thread Ben Russo
On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 15:32, Michael A. Peters wrote: On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 08:30, Ed Wilts wrote: That's naive. The vast majority of us have absolutely no control over somebody else's desktops. What if you decided to start sending me MS Word documents? Are you going to let me change

RE: Decent Word / Excel Conversion: Not yet?

2002-12-12 Thread James Francis
, 2002 2:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Decent Word / Excel Conversion: Not yet? You are contradicting your own statement. Just because you want to use a particular format, does not mean every one should change over to that format. The solution is compatibility and conversion tools

Re: Decent Word / Excel Conversion: Not yet?

2002-12-12 Thread Rick Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Francis wrote: | Raj, Well-worded. | Like it or not, and trust me I hate it, Microsoft Word is a standard. For | what it is worth, I receive .lwp documents from IBM all the time. I can't | open them up in OpenOffice and I can't open them up

Re: Decent Word / Excel Conversion: Not yet?

2002-12-12 Thread Bret Hughes
On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 16:08, Rick Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Francis wrote: | Raj, Well-worded. | Like it or not, and trust me I hate it, Microsoft Word is a standard. For | what it is worth, I receive .lwp documents from IBM all the time. I can't

Re: Decent Word / Excel Conversion: Not yet?

2002-12-11 Thread Manuel Camacho
Well, my best option until now has been using rtf format rather than M$ Word format. Still not perfect, and I have some problems with tables of content, but it is better than trying to load a native Word format. -Manuel. -Original Message- From: Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL

Re: Decent Word / Excel Conversion: Not yet?

2002-12-11 Thread Ed Wilts
On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 07:22:17PM +, Ryan wrote: I've been somewhat disappointed with the quality of the conversion of Office documents into native *nix documents by most of the decent GUI apps (Kword, Staroffice, Openoffice, etc.). What can we say? When you're right, you're right.

Re: Decent Word / Excel Conversion: Not yet?

2002-12-11 Thread nate
Ed Wilts said: What can we say? When you're right, you're right. There are no good open source translators out there - not even for MS Word. Every one I've tested failed on trivial documents, and I gave up. Not even StarOffice on Windows was anywhere close to usable a couple of months ago

Re: Decent Word / Excel Conversion: Not yet?

2002-12-11 Thread Ryurick M. Hristev
On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Ryan wrote: I've been somewhat disappointed with the quality of the conversion of Office documents into native *nix documents by most of the decent GUI apps (Kword, Staroffice, Openoffice, etc.). Are you expecting perfection ? There is no such thing! You want more ?