Re: Linux & Electronics (was: wine in general (my 2 cents))

2002-11-19 Thread Duane Clark
Thomas Ribbrock wrote: It's xpcb. It's ok, but last time I used it I found it not quite a match for a 'professional' layout program along the lines of PADs or Eagle. The latter is available for Linux, but too expensive for home use. > ... Eagle comes in three versions. A free version, a "cheap"

Re: wine in general (my 2 cents)

2002-11-19 Thread Thomas Ribbrock
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 10:50:57AM -0600, Manuel Camacho wrote: > > I would distinguish between various engineering disciplines. In the > > world of electronics, there seems to be a strong trend towards Linux. > > Yes, you are right. I believe that is because electrical and electronic > enginee

Re: Linux & Electronics (was: wine in general (my 2 cents))

2002-11-19 Thread Thomas Ribbrock
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 10:55:57AM -0600, Manuel Camacho wrote: > > Out of interest: What programs are used for EDA (e.g. schematic capture, > > PCB layout, etc.)? Last time I checked (which is a while ago), there > > didn't seem to be that much out there... > > There are plenty of tools. My last

Re: Linux & Electronics (was: wine in general (my 2 cents))

2002-11-18 Thread Manuel Camacho
> Out of interest: What programs are used for EDA (e.g. schematic > capture, PCB > layout, etc.)? Last time I checked (which is a while ago), there didn't > seem > to be that much out there... There are plenty of tools. My last contact with electronics was about two years ago, but I recall SPICE

Re: wine in general (my 2 cents)

2002-11-18 Thread Manuel Camacho
> I would distinguish between various engineering disciplines. In the > world of electronics, there seems to be a strong trend towards Linux. Yes, you are right. I believe that is because electrical and electronic engineers are more fond to programming than people from other eng. fields. You a

Linux & Electronics (was: wine in general (my 2 cents))

2002-11-18 Thread Thomas Ribbrock
On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 04:18:28PM -0800, Duane Clark wrote: > Manuel Camacho wrote: > >Is Window$ a necessary evil??? > > > >Unfortunately, so far, for Engineering applications, I think so. > > ... > > I would distinguish between various engineering disciplines. In the > world of electronics, th

Re: wine in general (my 2 cents)

2002-11-15 Thread Duane Clark
Manuel Camacho wrote: Is Window$ a necessary evil??? Unfortunately, so far, for Engineering applications, I think so. > ... I would distinguish between various engineering disciplines. In the world of electronics, there seems to be a strong trend towards Linux. Almost every major and many mi

Re: wine in general (my 2 cents)

2002-11-15 Thread Manuel Camacho
Is Window$ a necessary evil??? Unfortunately, so far, for Engineering applications, I think so. Regarding this thread, my opinion is as follows: -Excel is the best spreadsheet when it comes to advanced uses. QPro was great, but it can be considered mostly dead. StarOffice works wonderfully for

RE: wine in general

2002-11-13 Thread Joe Mozelesky
;redhat.com] On Behalf Of Kent Perrier Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 1:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: wine in general Anton Piatek wrote: > Do people actually use MS Project? > Its been the project management tool of choice on all of the projects that I have worked on for the

Re: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread Michael A. Peters
GoldMine would be nice, too. On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 05:17, Kent Perrier wrote: > > Crossover Office will approach perfection as soon as it can run MS > Project. Once it can do that, then I do not see any reason to not run > Linux at work. > -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:r

Re: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread Michael A. Peters
Sorry to join in late- I would like to point out I use to work for a company similar to crossover office that packaged GPL software, with some custom patches, custom documentation, etc. It was web server/database software. The company didn't make it - which is fine, not all do, but it broke my he

Re: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread Greg
When you say winex is great for games, what games are playable? What ones are you playing at the moment. I am looking at playing some pretty recent games, that are fairly graphics intensive. Also, is there any notice of a speed difference? regards Greg On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 05:30, paradox wro

Re: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On 13 Nov 2002, Greg wrote: > Taken the wrong way rday, ok, my bad. but that doesn't change the fact that i have heard, over the months and years, a lot of griping from linux veterans complaining about the notion of actually (gasp! horrors!) *paying* for software. too many people, methinks, hav

Re: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread Greg
Taken the wrong way rday, what I meant, but did not make clear, is that I was not willing to fork out money on something that I really had not seen, and did not have much info on how it works. I agree with you on what you say though. I have a fast internet connection, and could have quite easily

Re: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread paradox
I have to agree with this. Linux is great, but it will never beat out MS, or have the desktop usages that we al want without paying for some software. The linux community needs to buy software, however since we are an open source community we don't need to buy "crappy" software. We have to use

Re: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread paradox
wine is good for fun. WineX is great for games. To run MS Office you really should check out CodeWeavers CrossOver Office. Great program and runs Office 2K almost perfectly. The downside to CrossOver is that it's not free, but neither if Office if you're trying to run that. Have you tried Op

Re: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread Kent Perrier
Anton Piatek wrote: Do people actually use MS Project? Its been the project management tool of choice on all of the projects that I have worked on for the last 3+ years. Kent -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:redhat-list-request@;redhat.com?subject=unsubscribe https://listman

Re: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread Anton Piatek
actually IBM do have an rpm of notes designed to be run under wine... have a look for it, because i tried it at one point, and it seemed to run fine... Anton On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 14:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I haven't given it a complete exercise but StarOffice from Sun seems to > work p

Re: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread Anton Piatek
Do people actually use MS Project? On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 13:17, Kent Perrier wrote: > Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > > obviously, if you don't need it, don't buy it. but for a lot of > > people, it's the perfect solution. > > > > Crossover Office will approach perfection as soon as it can run M

Re: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread sentinel
I'm currently evaluating crossover office. Very impressive. I can run Word, Excel and PowerPoint from Linux now (running RedHat 7.2 and 7.3). I've run into some problems with Outlook (my primary reason for trying this). I can read/reply to emails, view/modify my calendar just fine. Selecting

Re: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread rchrismon
I haven't given it a complete exercise but StarOffice from Sun seems to work perfectly well with all my legacy MS Word docs. The latest version (6.0, I think) is not free but $60 for a complete office suite is more than reasonable. I also use Crossover because Lotus Notes is a big part of the p

Re: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread Sarah Fish
While my main concern is not Office, for what I do I think OpenOffice will work just fine, I would like to be able to get my 2 specialized Windows-based CAD packages to run under Linux. I can't live without either one of them. They are the major reason I am running a dual boot system. I can g

Re: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread Kent Perrier
Robert P. J. Day wrote: obviously, if you don't need it, don't buy it. but for a lot of people, it's the perfect solution. Crossover Office will approach perfection as soon as it can run MS Project. Once it can do that, then I do not see any reason to not run Linux at work. Kent -- re

Re: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread Anton Piatek
Id just like to make a quick note that it only supports office 2000, not office XP... so youre not necessarily going to get the compatibility with other people using the new office... Anton On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 12:56, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On 12 Nov 2002, Anton Piatek wrote: > > > Just one

Re: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On 12 Nov 2002, Anton Piatek wrote: > Just one question... dont you have to buy a copy of office too? cause > $50 for corssover is a fine price, but i thought you have to have a copy > of office too... yes, you have to already have all your own copies of the windows apps that you want to run. c

Re: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread Anton Piatek
Just one question... dont you have to buy a copy of office too? cause $50 for corssover is a fine price, but i thought you have to have a copy of office too... Anton On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 12:26, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On 12 Nov 2002, Anton Piatek wrote: > > > Sure it is a worrying trend... b

Re: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On 12 Nov 2002, Anton Piatek wrote: > Sure it is a worrying trend... but then, why would i pay for something > that *might* be compatible with MSOffice, when i could go pay for > windows and office and be guaranteed compatibility... unfortunately, > microsoft has a monopoly on office, and a huge c

Re: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread Anton Piatek
Sure it is a worrying trend... but then, why would i pay for something that *might* be compatible with MSOffice, when i could go pay for windows and office and be guaranteed compatibility... unfortunately, microsoft has a monopoly on office, and a huge client base... if you want to use something el

Re[2]: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread Robert Golovniov
Hello Robert, Tuesday, November 12, 2002, 12:32:56 PM, you wrote: RPJD> i *strongly* recommend shelling out a few dollars for crossover office, RPJD> from www.codeweavers.com. i've got that running on my rh 8.0 system RPJD> nicely. it's based on wine. OpenOffice also does a good job, IMHO. An

Re: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On 12 Nov 2002, Greg wrote: > Yeah, thanks guys, > I looked at crossover, but wasn't that keen on paying. But if the only > option, I might have to. this is, in my opinion, a very worrying trend -- the attitude that, since one is running linux, one should never expect to pay for software. ye

Re: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread Greg
Yeah, thanks guys, I looked at crossover, but wasn't that keen on paying. But if the only option, I might have to. Anton, I have used openoffice, and like it, but when opening complex microsoft documents, I find that some of the formatting is lost, or not correct. Little things, but I primaril

Re: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread Anton Piatek
Before you try emulating anything, may i suggest looking at OpenOffice.org, as that seems to work just fine for me... Of course, if you NEED complete compatibility, id have to agree with crossover office, as ive heard a lot of good about it (although it isnt free, and i have no idea what happens w

Re: wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On 12 Nov 2002, Greg wrote: > Has anyone on the list had experience with wine/winex? > I am interested in trying to use msoffice under linux. What > capabilities does wine have for doing this. I have looked on the > internet, and seen a few different types of wine. I am using RH8, and > this ha

wine in general

2002-11-12 Thread Greg
Has anyone on the list had experience with wine/winex? I am interested in trying to use msoffice under linux. What capabilities does wine have for doing this. I have looked on the internet, and seen a few different types of wine. I am using RH8, and this has a version of wine on it allready, but