Re: The nonprofit contraception services cases

2014-01-06 Thread Marci Hamilton
Ok-- I am confused. Is Derek saying federal funds subsidiz Notre Dame's health care system? Marci A. Hamilton Verkuil Chair in Public Law Benjamin N. Cardozo Law School Yeshiva University @Marci_Hamilton > On Jan 6, 2014, at 8:45 PM, "Gaubatz, Derek" wrote: > > It seems to me that there

RE: The nonprofit contraception services cases

2014-01-06 Thread Gaubatz, Derek
It seems to me that there is a much less nefarious explanation. In the context of those Establishment Clause challenges, it was permissible for a religious entity like Notre Dame to receive the government funds so long as they were not used for items deemed to be inherently religious activities

Re: The nonprofit contraception services cases

2014-01-06 Thread Marty Lederman
Oops . . . turns out that Notre Dame does prohibit its students from engaging in sex outside of marriage: The University embraces the Catholic Church’s teaching that a genuine and complete expression of love through sex requires a commitment to a total living and sharing together of two persons in

Re: The nonprofit contraception services cases

2014-01-06 Thread Marci Hamilton
This reminds me of the religious organizations who tell their employees in writing that they do not discriminate but when they get sued for discrimination argue the ministerial exception. Religious employers appear to be no different from any other in seeking the most beneficial position at

Re: The nonprofit contraception services cases

2014-01-06 Thread Greg Lipper
One further note, related to Marci’s question, and detailed in our intervention papers: Notre Dame has emphasized the secular nature of its benefits when in its legal interests to do so. In Laskowski v. Spellings, 546 F.3d 822 (7th Cir. 2008), an Establishment Clause challenge to public funding

Re: The nonprofit contraception services cases

2014-01-06 Thread Greg Lipper
Here’s Rick’s blog post on the Notre Dame case, though I can see why he might have been embarrassed to share it here: http://mirrorofjustice.blogs.com/mirrorofjustice/2014/01/americans-uniteds-attempted-intervention-in-notre-dames-hhs-case.html On Jan 6, 2014, at 3:15 PM, Rick Garnett mailto

Re: The nonprofit contraception services cases

2014-01-06 Thread Marci Hamilton
Is the ND rule students can't use it --or can't get it under student insurance --or can't get it from student health services? Or a combination? It would also be interesting what their policy was before and after the ACA was enacted. Marci A. Hamilton Verkuil Chair in Public Law Benjamin N.

Re: The nonprofit contraception services cases

2014-01-06 Thread Marci Hamilton
Doesn't it depend in some way on how much federal money it receives? Again, I am simply asking. Marci A. Hamilton Verkuil Chair in Public Law Benjamin N. Cardozo Law School Yeshiva University @Marci_Hamilton > On Jan 6, 2014, at 3:15 PM, Rick Garnett wrote: > > Notre Dame is allowed (I as

Re: The nonprofit contraception services cases

2014-01-06 Thread Marty Lederman
Sorry, I should have added that if ND prohibited only women, and not men, from using contraception, that would violate the title IX prohibition on sex discrimination. But a rule that all students must not indulge in unmarried sex, or in unmarried sex with contraception, might be ok under current f

Re: The nonprofit contraception services cases

2014-01-06 Thread Marty Lederman
And here's a post that (in part) responds to Kevin -- although my principal point is the *Little Sisters* case is an unimportant sideshow, and that it won't matter much what the Court does on the emergency motion, in particular: http://balkin.blogspot.com/2014/01/little-sisters-state-of-play.html

RE: The nonprofit contraception services cases

2014-01-06 Thread Rick Garnett
Notre Dame is allowed (I assume – again, I am just an employee and am not involved in admissions or with the University Counsel’s work) to take religion, and many other factors, into account when building its classes, sure. Does anyone believe that Notre Dame should *not* be able to conduct adm

Re: The nonprofit contraception services cases

2014-01-06 Thread Marci Hamilton
This is strictly an informational question-- is Notre Dame allowed to discriminate on the basis of religion in undergraduate admission? Marci A. Hamilton Verkuil Chair in Public Law Benjamin N. Cardozo Law School Yeshiva University @Marci_Hamilton > On Jan 6, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Rick Garnett

RE: The nonprofit contraception services cases

2014-01-06 Thread Rick Garnett
Dear colleagues, I would recommend Prof. Kevin Walsh’s post (here: http://mirrorofjustice.blogs.com/mirrorofjustice/2014/01/what-does-the-form-that-the-government-insists-the-little-sisters-of-the-poor-must-sign-actually-do.html) on the issue with which Marty kicked off this thread a few days a

RE: RFRA's constitutionality

2014-01-06 Thread mallamud
I would argue that paying for health insurance coverage more closely resembles paying wages and that employee compensation that includes insurance creates a relationship between the insured and the insurance provider. While that line admittedly is fuzzy, I honestly do not see how it involves t