Re: Jim Oleske's new review of book by Robert George

2015-02-18 Thread Rick Garnett
Dear Chip, I'm probably just echoing Eugene's earlier comment but, for what it's worth, I think your claim that "[n]o one who embraced Scalia's description of limits on the judicial role could be a fan of RFRA, unless perhaps it turned out that RFRA helped his friends" might overstate things a bit

Re: Jim Oleske's new review of book by Robert George

2015-02-18 Thread Ira Lupu
Dear Rick: Yes, I think you are just echoing Mark and Eugene when you emphasize the distinction between pre-Smith free exercise adjudication and RFRA adjudication. Consider what Scalia says in Smith (pp. 885-890) about the normative and institutional deficiencies of free exercise adjudication --

RE: Jim Oleske's new review of book by Robert George

2015-02-18 Thread Doug Laycock
I think Smith was wrong. But those who think it right think so for a variety of reasons. They may think the original public meaning simply didn’t include exemptions, and think that unfortunate. They may not at all buy Scalia’s argument about how terrible it is for judges to make judgments. Recal

Re: Jim Oleske's new review of book by Robert George

2015-02-18 Thread Rick Garnett
Dear Chip - Yes, thanks, your response helps me understand your position. Rick Sent from my iPhone On Feb 18, 2015, at 6:16 PM, Ira Lupu wrote: Dear Rick: Yes, I think you are just echoing Mark and Eugene when you emphasize the distinction between pre-Smith free exercise adjudication and RFR

Re: Jim Oleske's new review of book by Robert George

2015-02-18 Thread Steven Jamar
I thought Smith was wrong at the time. I now think it is mostly right albeit with an unworkable, even naive standard of “neutral and generally applicable” — which was and is meaningless in a regime of accommodations (how are such laws neutral or generally applicable?). But the idea that religio

RE: Jim Oleske's new review of book by Robert George

2015-02-18 Thread Scarberry, Mark
Chip, I’m with Doug on this: I also think Smith was wrongly decided, so you have put me in the wrong group; even on your view of the matter, I’m not a clinger. And I *haven’t* seconded any argument about political accountability. In fact, I very much worry that there will be too little room for

Re: Jim Oleske's new review of book by Robert George

2015-02-18 Thread Ira Lupu
I conceded at the outset that reasonable people could differ on "Smith is right, and RFRA is still good policy." I just don't think that case can be made on grounds of political accountability that RFRA invites. I apologize for putting Mark in the wrong group. Bill Marshall did indeed think Smit

Merits Decision in Washington Florist Case

2015-02-18 Thread James Oleske
http://www.atg.wa.gov/uploadedFiles/Home/News/Press_Releases/2015/Arlene%27s%20Flowers%20summary%20judgment.pdf Earlier today, a state court judge in Washington granted summary judgment on the merits against Arlene's Flowers and its owner Barronelle Stuzman. I believe this is the first judicial de