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--- On Thu, 1/12/12, Volokh, Eugene wrote:
From: Volokh, Eugene
Subject: RE: Supreme Court sides with church on decision to fire employee on
religious grounds
To: "Law & Religion issues for Law Academics"
Date: Thursday, January 12, 2012, 3:20 PM
It strikes me
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[mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene
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A whole host of laws are now thrown into limbo as a result of the decision
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For example NY Workers Compensation Law exempts the following from the
mandatory coverage provisions-
The applicant is a nonprofit (under IRS rules) with NO compensated
individuals providing services except for
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: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:34 PM
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> The decision is much narrower than Joel's description. It does not cover all
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[mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Brownstein
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the ministerial exception or not.
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> boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Berg, Thomas C.
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Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:07 PM
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Subject: RE: Supreme Court sides with church on decision to fire employee on
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We disagree -- in part because I think it would be easy to draft a formally
"religion-
Law Academics
Subject: RE: Supreme Court sides with church on decision to fire employee on
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I think that if the government decided to give a religion-neutral
"charitable donation voucher" that congregants could give to their church, to
the ACLU, to a private scho
, Thomas C.
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:28 AM
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Alan, I'm not predicting two more justices, let alone with any certainty, or
talking about all
oun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Samuel Krieger
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 4:35 PM
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A whole host of laws are now thrown into limbo as
Academics
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> We disagree -- in part because I think it would be easy to draft a formally
> "religion-neutral" voucher that would be used primarily and overwhelmingly
> by ch
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> religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] *On Behalf Of *Marci Hamilton
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Dear Marci,
I guess not, but I think people usually think of "clergy" as ordained, or as
otherwise officially designated. I think the opinion constitutionalizes an
exception that covers a broader category of "minis
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Rick--I meant by clergy whatever the Court is saying is a "minister"
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From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu
[mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Marci Hamilton
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:34 PM
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Subject: Re: Supreme Court sides with church on decision to fire employee on
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The decision is much narrower than Joel's description. It does not cover all
employees of religious organizations--only clergy. And it only involves claims
involving discrimination against the religious organization,
leaving open litigation from even clergy on contract and tort theories.
Mar
onlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Brownstein
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:47 PM
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Subject: RE: Supreme Court sides with church on decision to fire employee on
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Rick,
As to lay teachers at religious schools, the Court
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> Subject: RE: Supreme Court sides with church on decision to fire employee on
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> Dear Marci,
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> I guess not, but I think people usually think of “clergy” as ordained, or as
> otherwise officially designated. I
ehalf of Alan Brownstein [aebrownst...@ucdavis.edu]
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:01 AM
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Subject: RE: Supreme Court sides with church on decision to fire employee on
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Tom,
I have long since given up trying to predict how Supreme C
The Supreme Court has sided unanimously with a church sued for firing an
employee on religious grounds, issuing an opinion on Wednesday that
religious employers can keep the government out of hiring and firing
decisions.
In the case of Hosanna-Tabor v. EEOC, Cheryl Perich, a "called" teacher
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