RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-23 Thread Jeff DePolo
In reference to below, what would be the real advantage to using CP antennas in addition to the V and H you'd have already? Any signal that arrives will excite a V and/or H antenna according to it's arriving polarization, and I don't see where CP would be a help. If you're going to use

RE: [Repeater-Builder] isolation

2009-08-23 Thread Jeff DePolo
While I'll agree that more isolation, then what is needed to insure no desense is a waste; if this gentleman is suggesting that isolation in reserve is a waste, I strongly disagree. Why? Operating conditions can change - snow and especially ice on the repeater antenna can detune the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Belden 9888 Triax coax question?

2009-07-29 Thread Jeff DePolo
I recently replaced a piece of Belden 9913 coax between the repeater TX and the duplexer with a piece of RG-214. All of our noise problems went away. A HA! Unfortunately I am out of RG-214. I have some Belden 9888 Triax and need to know if anyone has experience using it for repeater

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors

2009-07-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
Would anyone care to comment on and compare the tools offered by both Paladin and RF Industries, as well as the link earlier in this thread? Not cheap, but not the several hundred dollars either as quoted by someone above. OK, here's probably more than you ever wanted to know about crimp

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors

2009-07-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
The standard Kings frame is KTH-1000. The Daniels HX4 is basically a clone of the Kings KTH-5000. Kings, Daniels, et al make other models, but the KTH-5000 is the most common style. Sorry. Replace KTH-5000 with KTH-1000 in the above paragraph...

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors

2009-07-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
I'd like that information also. I know that some of the more technically proficient hams out there who do RF design / installation for a living use crimp only connectors, and swear by them. Are there other vendors out there that people have used which are comparable to the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors

2009-07-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
to buy one of these tools - although the Daniels HX4 and Kings KTH1000 crimpers look identical, their dies do not interchange. wb0emu -- --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com , Jeff DePolo

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Service Monitor Question

2009-07-14 Thread Jeff DePolo
Yes , I've tried to feed the signal from my external reference oscillator into the 1200, but it takes literately volts of signal to get it to switch to the external osc. input. I forget what the spec was, but it seems to me it was less than +10 dBm. I think there was a warning on it

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Service Monitor Question

2009-07-14 Thread Jeff DePolo
Have you ever tried KG Electronics (http://kgelectronics.com http://kgelectronics.com )? I remember talking to them before retiring the 1500, but I don't remember what the price was to replace the CRT. The attenuator (mechanical) was getting noisy/leaky too, so between those two problems, I

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 3/4 wave cavity operation at 1296 MHz

2009-07-13 Thread Jeff DePolo
I wonder what the diameter of the center element, or plunger, was? I think I still have one with the rivets drilled out, I'll measure when I get a chance. --- Jeff WN3A

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 3/4 wave cavity operation at 1296 MHz

2009-07-13 Thread Jeff DePolo
conductor/plunger assembly email direct. --- Jeff -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff DePolo Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:08 AM To: Repeater-Builder

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 3/4 wave cavity operation at 1296 MHz

2009-07-13 Thread Jeff DePolo
conductor/plunger assembly email direct. --- Jeff -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff DePolo Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:08 AM To: Repeater-Builder

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Service Monitor Question

2009-07-13 Thread Jeff DePolo
I'd be leaning toward an HP. Even if you have to pay a little more up front, you'll come out ahead of the game in the long run. I have three HP's (two 8920B's and an 8921A, with various options), and in the last ten years or so, only once have I had to get one of them repaired (spectrum

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Service Monitor Question

2009-07-13 Thread Jeff DePolo
option, make sure it works properly. I have a bad IFR1200 here that the heater on the oscillator crapped out. The service monitor works, but it is way off frequency and can't be adjusted. The last time I priced repair, it was in the $1,000+ range. 73, Joe, K1ike Joe, You've

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 3/4 wave cavity operation at 1296 MHz

2009-07-12 Thread Jeff DePolo
In your experimentation, were you using 4 diam 450 MHz cans operated at 3/4 wave for 1296 or 4 cans at 1/4 wave (stubbies !) for 1296 ? I used both. I used UHF 4 pass cavities as 3/4 wave resonators, and also took 900 MHz 1/4 wave cavities and cut down the center to shorten them. In both

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor Bi-Level Squelch Circuit

2009-07-12 Thread Jeff DePolo
Alex, if memory serves, the component differences for the lowband audio/squelch board are documented in the manual. I don't remember if the station and mobile boards both have different components for lowband, or if it was just the station. I also don't remember if the SpectraTAC audio board

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Building HT antennas

2009-07-12 Thread Jeff DePolo
Also, this project is designed to use in a mostly stationary situation, and I was thinking of incorporating a spring or something similar at the base of the antenna to minimize the shock to the antenna connector. Using your idea, how about a small spring at the base, followed by a

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Notch on duplexers... How low should they go???

2009-07-12 Thread Jeff DePolo
With a preamp, if you're only getting -106 dBm sensitivity, something is wrong. If memory serves, the spec for 12 dB SINAD without the preamp for a highband Mastr II is 0.35 uV (-116 dBm), and with the UHS preamp the sensitivity was 6 dB better (-122 dBm). Looking at the GE isolation curves,

RE: [Repeater-Builder] 3/4 wave cavity operation at 1296 MHz

2009-07-10 Thread Jeff DePolo
Bench testing showed the cavities performed as expected in 1/4 wave mode, but no amount of loop tweaking or black magic cursing could get the insertion loss to acceptable levels when operated in 3/4 wave mode (1296 MHz). Typical IL was 2 to 3dB per can at these frequencies. All test

RE: [Repeater-Builder] 3/4 wave cavity operation at 1296 MHz

2009-07-10 Thread Jeff DePolo
What type/model/brand/size of cavities were you using? The first thing that comes to mind was that the cavity you were attempting to use? --- Jeff Sorry, hit send too soon. The first thing that comes to mind was that the cavity you were attempting to use had geometry that was causing

RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower.

2009-07-02 Thread Jeff DePolo
Jeff, Do I understand you to then also reject the idea that an omnidirectional colinear antenna, top-mounted on a basic metal pole, is bogus to claim 6 dBd gain in all directions at the same time? Nope, I didn't say that at all. The convention is to measure gain at the horizon. The

RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower.

2009-07-02 Thread Jeff DePolo
The gain figures I quoted are dBd reference the dipole mounted in place of the DB-224 before the test. The Scientific Atlanta turntable was connected to a circular strip chart and the amplitude measurements were recorded directly to the strip chart which was submitted. The turntable

RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower.

2009-07-01 Thread Jeff DePolo
Back when we had to submit an antenna pattern in order to get a repeater license for the ham bands, I mounted four elements of a DB-224 directly on one leg of a Rhon 25 tower and mounted the two tower sections on an antenna test pedestal and ran the pattern. With the antenna sections

RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower.

2009-07-01 Thread Jeff DePolo
mast, shows 9 dB to the front, 6 dB to the sides and 3 dB to the back of the mast. Almost a circle, offset. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Jeff DePolo j...@broadsci.com mailto:jd0%40broadsci.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder

RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower.

2009-07-01 Thread Jeff DePolo
Their sample pattern when side-mounted on a tower shows 9 dBd forward gain and -2 dBd off the back away from the tower, again with all elements in a line. That may be getting closer to being realistic. Err...upon closer look (zooming in on the PDF)...it's more like -3 to -4 dBd off the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Pass-Notch Duplexer Woes

2009-06-29 Thread Jeff DePolo
Looks like there is 2 dB loss at a 600 khz + spacing (which is where the problems were). (all 4 cans = 2dB) 2 dB is fine for 4 cavities per side. If you are able to get under 2.5 dB for those 4 cavities when retuned on 2m, I'd say you're doing pretty well. What about the links inside the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Exec II receiver fiddling WAS:MastrII Receiver Failure

2009-06-29 Thread Jeff DePolo
? Chris Kb0wlf -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- buil...@yahoogroups.com mailto:Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff DePolo Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:00 PM To: Repeater

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Exec II receiver fiddling WAS:MastrII Receiver Failure

2009-06-29 Thread Jeff DePolo
is just screwed together. Correct? Chris Kb0wlf -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- buil...@yahoogroups.com mailto:Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff DePolo Sent: Friday

[Repeater-Builder] ARR UHF GaAsFET - free, not working

2009-06-28 Thread 'Jeff DePolo'
I pulled out an ARR P432VDG GaAsFET preamp today, it's no longer working. Anyone want it? I've standardized on Angle Linear; this ARR is one of the few I still have in service and I have no interest in getting it repaired.. If you want it, call ARR and get an RMA number for the repair on Monday

[Repeater-Builder] Free

2009-06-28 Thread Jeff DePolo
GaAsFET - free, not working I'll take it... Bryon Jeffers KØBSJ 'Jeff DePolo' wrote: I pulled out an ARR P432VDG GaAsFET preamp today, it's no longer working. Anyone want it? I've standardized on Angle Linear; this ARR is one of the few I still have in service and I have

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Pass-Notch Duplexer Woes

2009-06-27 Thread Jeff DePolo
I did a check on the can with the original stub, it had a broad notch at 238 MHz (in addition to the tunable smaller notch at the 154 mhz). The notch you're seeing at 238 is the effect of the shorted stub (I think you said it was shorted, correct me if I'm remembering wrong). Your

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Transmitter matching

2009-06-26 Thread Jeff DePolo
What Jeff recommends is adjusting the impedance matching device and/or the power setting so as to optimize the efficiency. In other words, get more power to the antenna and reduce the amount of internal heating. It may turn out that the point of optimum efficiency is not at the rated

RE: [Repeater-Builder] MastrII Receiver Failure

2009-06-26 Thread Jeff DePolo
Chuck's got you going down the right path. At 51 MHz, you probably only have to take one turn off of each of the first two coils. At 52 MHz or higher, you might have to take off two. You need a lot of heat to get the casting open (hint: a soldering gun, even a 300 watt Weller, ain't gonna cut

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Pass-Notch Duplexer Woes

2009-06-26 Thread Jeff DePolo
Ok, now lets do the opposite. Set the spec analyzer to 147.1 tune it up. Set up the sig gen @ 147.7 UH OH, 2.5dB loss. The stubs (which I take it you removed) alter the pass response. They're really notch cavities. Adding the stubs will change the response adjacent to the notch from high

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Transmitter matching

2009-06-25 Thread Jeff DePolo
An outboard Z-matcher works as well as the internal one on an M2 station PA; it shouldn't matter where along the transmission line it's placed. If you're looking for Z-matchers, there are two Decibels (one VHF, one UHF) on eBay right now for less money. As has been beatened around on this list

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Transmitter matching

2009-06-25 Thread Jeff DePolo
Have you found that adjustments of power level output of the MastrII PA has required much retuning of the Z-matcher? I have a plan that may drop power output during power failures and I'm wondering how the z-matcher might affect things. Yes, the match will vary as output power is varied.

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Transmitter matching

2009-06-25 Thread Jeff DePolo
ways from sideways... I'm just wondering Why? What am I missing here...?) -- Nate Duehr, WY0X n...@natetech.com On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:05 -0400, Jeff DePolo j...@broadsci.com wrote: Have you found that adjustments of power level output of the MastrII PA

RE: [Repeater-Builder] SRL235-2 Bi-Directional Antenna, which direction has gain?

2009-06-24 Thread Jeff DePolo
would be perpendicular to a line drawn as described. I can scan a page from the Sinclair instruction sheet to back up this statement. Paul N1BUG Jeff DePolo wrote: If all of the elements are parallel as in your photo, then it's bi-directional. If you drew a line through one element

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Dual Receive Antennas

2009-06-24 Thread Jeff DePolo
You can't get there from here. Trying to add the yagi to the omni using power division topside isn't going to yield easily-predictable results. You'll have all kinds of pattern interaction between the two, with new nulls falling in quasi-random areas lacking sophisticated modeling. Your best

RE: [Repeater-Builder] SRL235-2 Bi-Directional Antenna, which direction has gain?

2009-06-23 Thread Jeff DePolo
If all of the elements are parallel as in your photo, then it's bi-directional. If you drew a line through one element, through the mast, and through the other element, maximum radiation would be along that axis. If the elements are staggered such that each bay pair is rotated 90 degrees from

RE: [Repeater-Builder] HP8924C RF Analyzer scan

2009-06-19 Thread Jeff DePolo
That's the most-likely cause (wrong input). Other thing is that once the squelch opens, it will no longer auto-hunt if memory serves. Make sure the squelch is closed (and, if you haven't already, make sure you're on FM DEMOD in the AF Analyzer screen).

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Noise on UHF

2009-06-17 Thread Jeff DePolo
Radar buzz (colloquial name around here is the bees). We get it quite often here in eastern PA/NJ/DE/MD/NY. 440 propagation has been a bit enhanced today (I wouldn't say wide open), but hearing stations in NYC and LI here in Philly. --- Jeff -Original

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Glenayre UHF PA

2009-06-15 Thread Jeff DePolo
The 97 series will work OK in the ham band. The twisted wire hybrids are rated for 450-512 MHz, so the balance may be a little off, and the isolation degraded a bit. I have a few in service. I found that if you run them at rated output that collector burns (solder joint fails due to repeated

[Repeater-Builder] Sinclair - big price jump?

2009-06-02 Thread Jeff DePolo
I was about to order some Sinclair dipole arrays for upcoming projects (SD318 series 8-bay UHF). Last time I ordered one, probably 5 or 6 years ago, I thought it was around $1400. This time, all of my usual vendors are giving me quotes over $2,000???!? Did Sinclair have a big price jump over

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Looking for 220 Repeater Antenna

2009-06-02 Thread Jeff DePolo
For fiberglass, RFS still makes the SuperStationmaster for 220 (model # 220-8). Telewave (ANT220F6) and Sinclair (SC229 series) also still make fiberglass omnis for 220. Sinclair (SD212, SD214, SD218), Telewave (ANT220 series) and Comprod (87x series and 88x series) make 220 dipole arrays.

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair - big price jump?

2009-06-02 Thread Jeff DePolo
/Tech Midstate Communications 1st Lieut, S.T.V.F.D. KB3DOL www.midstatecomm.com http://www.midstatecomm.com http://stvfd.homestead.com/ http://stvfd.homestead.com/ www.repeater.net/n2hlt http://www.repeater.net/n2hlt --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Jeff DePolo j...@broadsci.com wrote

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair - big price jump?

2009-06-02 Thread Jeff DePolo
What didn't go way up? The number of digits to the left of the decimal point in my checking account balance hasn't gone up. I'm still waiting for all of that stimulus package trickle-down money that our new president promised me. Jumping in price by 50% over the course of a few years seems

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair - big price jump?

2009-06-02 Thread Jeff DePolo
I think for a while Cushcraft was using a different name for some of their commercial products, and the name was something like Com Prod or Communication Products or something similiar (I think I saw it used in a Tessco catalog), but I'm quite certain that the current Laird/Cushcraft products are

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair - big price jump?

2009-06-02 Thread Jeff DePolo
Some of Comprod's cavity filter products look a lot like TX-RX, but not all. They make a line of duplexers and filters that are square cavities, more like EMR's. TX-RX does make some square cavities; I have some square TX-RX cavities that are high-power models for 900 MHz paging. I have a

[Repeater-Builder] Need Delta preamps

2009-06-01 Thread Jeff DePolo
I'm looking for preamps for GE Delta-S radios, both highband and UHF. Can use a few of each. Yes, I know I could graft in a different preamp, but I'm looking for original parts. 19C850692G3 UHF 19C850696G3 VHF Have stuff to trade or cash. --- Jeff WN3A

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Directional repeater antenna question

2009-05-30 Thread Jeff DePolo
I am looking for a UHF antenna design to null out transmissions roughly in an easterly direction, but I would like to keep the antenna as unsightly as possible since it's located on a building where it could be easily seen, not on a tower where it wouldn't matter. Any websites out there

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Connector plating vs PIM etc.

2009-05-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
OK, I guess it's about time I asked this. Is there someplace I can find a reference on various connector types (plated or not, type of plating) vs PIM/IMD/noise in duplex systems and/or in high RF environments? I am looking at replacing my run of LDF5-50A and wonder what type of

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Desense on High Power Linear Repeater?

2009-05-21 Thread Jeff DePolo
This leads me to a question that I have had on my mind. How are people doing desense testing with D-Star systems? (Remember, it's digital.) 73, Joe, K1ike How about this - record a clean D-Star transmission (not decoded, just the raw output from an FM receiver) on a PC with a good sound

[Repeater-Builder] Dayton

2009-05-06 Thread Jeff DePolo
Our group (WN3A, KA9FUR, KA3LAO, N9QOO, et al) will be in spaces 2368-2370 this year (different spots than previous years for those that stop by annually). Stop by for 807's and good deals on repeater related stuff. --- Jeff WN3A

RE: [Repeater-Builder] High Power Mastr II base station conversion to 2 meters

2009-04-26 Thread Jeff DePolo
OK GE Mastr II experts, I have a question for you. Our club has been the benefactor of a local law enforcement agency's upgrade. We have acquired a VHF (155 mHz) Mastr II base station with 3 solid state PAs that total a rated output power of 225 watts. It appears to have a single PA power

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Where can one get VB-11 and VB-83 coax?

2009-04-20 Thread Jeff DePolo
How are you soldering the braid (or how are you removing the goop prior to soldering it)? Ed Yoho W6YJ I use trichloro, but there are other solvents that would probably work too. --- Jeff

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Where can one get VB-11 and VB-83 coax?

2009-04-20 Thread Jeff DePolo
Are you referring to trichloroethylene, or to trichloroethane, or to trichlorotrifluoroethane, or to something else? They are definitely not the same solvents, and they have different applications. Some solvents whose chemical names begin with trichloro are quite toxic and have high

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Where can one get VB-11 and VB-83 coax?

2009-04-19 Thread Jeff DePolo
Is there a source for VB-11 and VB-83 coax out there? Or is there an equivalent cable from someone else? and of course what were the impedances and constants and the like of them? VB-11 is a flooded-braid version of regular RG11 (VB = VaporBlock in Decibel's vernacular). Be careful

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-12 Thread Jeff DePolo
You're probably looking for this one. http://www.fcc.gov/eb/AmateurActions/files/2007_04_12_10_26_52.pdf --- Jeff -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B)

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wanted N type T connector

2009-04-10 Thread Jeff DePolo
I've been reading up on How to Modify a Sinclair Q2220E 132-174 MHz Duplexer to 220 MHz as Dave C has done. Where/who supplies these connectors.. 73 John VK4JKL IRLP 6163 Delta Electronics - www.deltarf.com http://www.deltarf.com/results/p60.pdf --- Jeff WN3A

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Celwave 633-6A-2N Tuning down to 441 / 446

2009-04-03 Thread Jeff DePolo
I suppose one could dismantle a dash 1 duplexer to see what the difference is that makes it work so well on 440, and then use that knowledge to field-modify a dash 2 duplexer- or better still, publish that information for the benefit of others. Any takers? 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY I'll

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: CPI Tone-Remote system configuration

2009-04-02 Thread Jeff DePolo
If you don't have a telco metering setup (line-man, transmission line tester tims) the levels across the phone line can be read with any decent AC volt meter. Just be careful, some DMM's, even good ones, don't have accurate AC voltage measurement above a few hundred Hertz. I have a

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Anyone got a Amp-meter Circuit to Repeater Controller for Telementry Readback?

2009-04-02 Thread Jeff DePolo
The classic textbook method would be to put a current shunt in series with your DC source and measure the voltage drop across it. A current shunt is just a precision low-value resistor capable of handling the thru-current, nothing fancy about it. But, at low voltages (like 12V) and low

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Decibel dipole array sweeps

2009-03-29 Thread Jeff DePolo
Did you test the db408 with both db404's harnessed and working together? No, I tested the upper and lower halves seprately. I have some used DB408's (not the dual version) that I'll try to sweep later.

RE: [Repeater-Builder] What is this antenna???

2009-03-28 Thread Jeff DePolo
If the elements are flat (not tubing), then it's a DB410. They stopped making them probably in the early 80's? --- Jeff -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of k5in

RE: [Repeater-Builder] What is this antenna???

2009-03-28 Thread Jeff DePolo
Decibel antenna was around 1978-81 (they used tubing), so I can't say with any certainty. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Jeff DePolo mailto:j...@broadsci.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder

RE: [Repeater-Builder] What is this antenna???

2009-03-28 Thread Jeff DePolo
But the feed harness would be a bit more difficult for 6 pairs (or 6 single elements). Nah, not really. You can power-divide into any number of branches, there's nothing sacred about multiples of two's. And, the original post indicated he had an antenna that had 6 single elements, I

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Latest RFS Brand Antenna (country of mfgr)

2009-03-28 Thread Jeff DePolo
Installing a VHF base station using a brand new RFS Cellwave Omni Antenna. The label says the antenna is now made in Denmark. Appears to be very well made... just interesting to learn it was made in Denmark. cheers, s. That's odd, last week I picked up a case of Carlsberg pilsner

RE: [Repeater-Builder] supply

2009-03-26 Thread Jeff DePolo
I was going to guess Motran, but it's been so long since I've seen one I can't be sure. Take the paper target and the power supply out to a rifle range and go Office Space on it. --- Jeff -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Decibel dipole array sweeps

2009-03-25 Thread Jeff DePolo
, 40 inches off the side of a tower? Brian, k5in - Original Message - From: Jeff DePolo mailto:j...@broadsci.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 2:49 PM Subject: RE

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Decibel dipole array sweeps

2009-03-25 Thread Jeff DePolo
Hi Jeff, that's interesting data. I was more curious whether or not you had any antennas easy to add to the tests, or any locals nearby with different types of Sinclairs around/available to add to the data while you have the test range setup, so to speak. Not important enough to go

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Decibel DB-4076

2009-03-25 Thread Jeff DePolo
If it was originally a 450-470 MHz model, it will work fine at 444/449 without any modifications. If it was for one of the other bandsplits, then you'll need to re-do the harness if you want it to meet spec. --- Jeff WN3A -Original Message- From:

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Decibel dipole array sweeps

2009-03-25 Thread Jeff DePolo
- From: Jeff DePolo j...@broadsci.com mailto:jd0%40broadsci.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Decibel dipole array sweeps I can measure one, but it should be about

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Decibel dipole array sweeps

2009-03-25 Thread Jeff DePolo
Jeff, I know you know more about this than I do; maybe you can tell me why I've seen this. In the past, I've modeled a simple 4el yagi to answer this same question for myself: does a conductive mast, placed behind the reflector element, affect the yagi's pattern or feedpoint Z? The

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Sinclair Q2220E

2009-03-25 Thread Jeff DePolo
Are you using the PM exciter or PLL exciter on the M2? If PM, switching to PLL will reduce the transmitter noise supression requirement of your duplexer by 22 dB. Otherwise, your best bet is to add another pass/reject cavity to each side of the duplexer closest to the repeater equipment (i.e.

[Repeater-Builder] Decibel dipole array sweeps

2009-03-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
I'm in the process of putting up a remote receiver for a 440 ham repeater using a Decibel DB413 dipole array cut for 450-470 MHz. Since Decibel/Andrew stopped making the 440-450 MHz custom models, I've used the usual 450-470 split antennas for receive sites, and they've performed well. I swept

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Decibel dipole array sweeps

2009-03-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
Boy, Yahoo really mangled the URL, even though I put it in angle brackets. Let's try re-naming the file without spaces, maybe that will work... http://www.broadsci.com/AntennaSweepsR1.pdf Bob - the file opened fine for me, both locally and from the web site. I'm using Acrobat 9.0. The

RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: AF2140 filter

2009-03-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
I'm almost positive that it's a Celwave, not a Sinclair, but I don't recognize that exact part number. Their tunable low-pass filters (actually second harmonic notch filters) had part numbers like AF150-T which was for highband VHF (the 150 being the nominal center of the passbasnd frequency,

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Decibel dipole array sweeps

2009-03-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
For a parallel-fed (aka binary-fed, corporate-fed, etc.) antenna, if all of the elements are fed in-phase (i.e. the branches in the phasing harness are all the same length), as it typical with most dipole arrays, there won't be any uptilt/downtilt as you vary the transmitter frequency outside of

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Decibel dipole array sweeps

2009-03-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
design range. 73, Joe, K1ike Jeff DePolo wrote: I tested these antennas with them mounted above ground level, and away from nearby objects, with the Sitemaster connected right to the pigtail so what you're seeing is the true return loss at the feedpoint. No virus found

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Decibel dipole array sweeps

2009-03-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
The link in Doug's email below still has spaces in it (%20 hex ASCII for space character). Use the revised name I sent out that doesn't have spaces in it: http://www.broadsci.com/AntennaSweepsR1.pdf --- Jeff -Original Message- From:

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Decibel dipole array sweeps

2009-03-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
It wouldn't suprise me if the VSWR wasn't terrible since you'd be operating the antenna at an odd multiple of its original design frequency. However, the elevation pattern will likely be a mess. In other words, it may look just dandy on the Sitemaster, but under-perform by a whole lot out in

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Decibel dipole array sweeps

2009-03-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
In general, the loss in the feedline will only make the return loss look better. If you have an antenna with a 14 dB return loss at the frequency of interest at the feedpoint, and connect it to a feedline that has 2 dB of loss, the return loss will be 14dB + 2 x 2dB = 18 dB looking into the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Decibel dipole array sweeps

2009-03-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
I'd be interested in seeing what you have. Back in the old days of Decibel, they would send you good info if you were able to get to the right person. I haven't had that kind of success since Andrew bought them out. Just this week I came across a non-catalog Decibel antenna on a tower (the one

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Decibel dipole array sweeps

2009-03-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
Re-reading your message about downtilt antennas brought back a distant memory. I was putting up a new 440 ham repeater, and grabbed a used DB408 out of the stash, checked the tag, and it said 450-470 MHz. A quick sweep on the Sitemaster looked fine, so off I went. A few hours later I get to

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Decibel dipole array sweeps

2009-03-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
I'm modeling a half-wave dipole with the bottom .25 wavelength (at 145MHz) above zero, with five meters added from the bottom. This antenna, five plus meters above ground, shows that when transmitting at 165MHz, the highest point of gain is a lower degree of elevation than when

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Decibel dipole array sweeps

2009-03-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:52 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Decibel dipole array sweeps On Mar 22, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Jeff DePolo wrote: The antennas I tested in this first batch are: DB413, 450-470 MHz DB408D, 450-470 MHz DB411, 450

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Decibel dipole array sweeps

2009-03-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
Message - From: Jeff DePolo j...@broadsci.com mailto:jd0%40broadsci.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:11 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Decibel dipole array sweeps I have a Sinclair 8-bay with half

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Decibel dipole array sweeps

2009-03-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009, Jeff DePolo wrote: Wait. You're saying that a center-fed dipole has a major lobe that's not exactly perpendicular to the element? Something's amiss. It's a theoretical antenna over a real ground. In free space, the lobes are closer to zero, but even over

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Decibel dipole array sweeps

2009-03-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
Free space doesn't have a ground. Can you disable ground altogether and see what the gain and pattern is? Yes. It looks like what you'd expect a perfect antenna to look like. What does it give you for the gain of a single half-wave dipole with no ground or support structure?

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Decibel dipole array sweeps

2009-03-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
Bob. Always the trouble maker. Try this HTML version. It was produced by Microsoft Word which has the most god-awful HTML generator on the planet IMHO. I make no guarantees as to its readability. http://www.broadsci.com/AntennaSweepsR1.htm --- Jeff WN3A

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Andrews hard line help

2009-03-17 Thread Jeff DePolo
4 bay .. Thanks to all for the help .. Getting ready to do Tower work :) have to do it before the warm weather hits .. hihi On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Jeff DePolo j...@broadsci.com mailto:j...@broadsci.com wrote: Rick Go

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Andrews hard line help

2009-03-17 Thread Jeff DePolo
...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff DePolo Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:28 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Andrews hard line help Well, an L45W is nice and easy. It's one of the old-style connectors that has a thread-in center pin (the best

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 220 Repeater Power Amp

2009-03-16 Thread Jeff DePolo
I second Skipp's motion, having been burned by Henry twice before, UHF amps delivered without a low pass filter, second harmonic about -40 dBc in the cell band... Also, TPL manufactures 220 amps (I had one, Adam N2ACF has it now), primarily for overseas markets. They use the same devices as in

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr Exec II question

2009-03-16 Thread Jeff DePolo
No, a Mastr II receiver will not fit in an Exec II. While a lot of the circuitry is similiar between the two, mechanically they're different. --- Jeff WN3A -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com]

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Andrews hard line help

2009-03-16 Thread Jeff DePolo
Hello to the group ... I need to run some new 7/8 hard line and some 1/2 inch Question is there any info on installing the ends on both I did a google search and not luck any help would be great and also any special tools ? It's easier if you have Andrew's tools (or whoever's), but

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Andrews hard line help

2009-03-16 Thread Jeff DePolo
Rick Go to the files section and there is a file there Andrew bulletin 37383C.pdf that is the instruction sheet for connectors. Craig That sheet is for the early L4 series solder-type connectors; it may or may not be applicable to the original post since we don't know which connectors

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Recomendations on T band duplexer

2009-03-14 Thread Jeff DePolo
TX-RX would be my suggestion. My only pet peeve with TX-RX duplexers that on the duplexers that use garden variety 4 cavities is that they have BNC connectors instead of type N. If you opt for their Type N connector upgrade, you just get three BNC to type N adapters. Their larger

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Recomendations on T band duplexer

2009-03-14 Thread Jeff DePolo
28-69-02A (or B), garden-variety 4 4-cavity pass/reject, fixed loops, BNC connectors, the typical duplexer for 3 MHz split applications. The only difference between A and B is the mounting brackets (one is front-mount, the other has added brackets for rear-mount). 28-69-01A for 4-cavity 6-5/8

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB duplexer question

2009-03-13 Thread Jeff DePolo
Jeff here you go 12 8 5/8 10 8 1/2 The two short ones are the cav conecters. the others are for the Tee. Dave Ka9gfs I went through four different varients of the square-cavity DB4076's here and none of them have cable lengths that match yours. In all cases, the cables going to

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