A bad example
below...
Endeavour looks good, but it is commercial and costs 1000 to
2000 Euro plus tax for a single licence for one individual unit. This
may be a fair price, but given what you said in the past about not
wanting to pay much smaller amounts for the databases on which it
depends, I
I was just going to announce my change of email address (I had previously
contacted some members off-list with [EMAIL PROTECTED] & had been
subscribing though a free webmail account), but this debate is just too
good to ignore.
Endeavour looks good, but it is commercial and costs 1000 to 2000 E
> this debate is just too good to ignore.
Yeah. I'm till waiting for Armel's other shoe to drop :-)
> The algorithm is in the literature, so why prevent
> the implementation of it in software?
I guess that if Crystal Impact are going to make money out of it,
then CCDC might want a slice of that.
> The algorithm is in the literature, so why prevent
> the implementation of it in software?
It is true, the algorithm is in the literature; unfortunately, the exact
form of the potential and especially its parameters have not been published
yet. These parameters (which have been extracted from the
Hi,
My initial subject line was :
"Where we go with monopolistic licensed databases ?
A bad example below..."
It was changed automatically by the ILL mail server,
replacing it by the subject of the forwarded email about Endeavour.
So, if some results obtained from these monopolistic
databases are n
My initial subject line was :
"Where we go with monopolistic licensed databases
?
I'm disappointed. After all the thunder we end up with French
cuisine.
The CNRS... have adapted (the GPL
Gnu Public Licence)
and open source software licence to the french law sauce
:
You can't "adapt" a law or a l
"Your operating model... is a stellar example of how one might integrate
with MySQL while still adhering to confines of the GPL or in other words,
managing to keep your product open source".
Thanks for the confirmation.
Exactly what I said : advertisement for extremely good
commercial products.
Armel: as in the past such debates are mute and go nowhere; these days, fame and
fortunes are gained by those who copy the fastest and most efficiently or as one
of your most brilliant countrymen, H. Balzac, put it: "behind every fortune
there is a crime"; once you accept this you can go on with
Ludwig,
defending the ideals is the best thing one can do in his life. With the pragmatic
view, you propose, we would stay till nowadays "on the trees eating bananas".
Radovan
Ludwig Keller a écrit:
Armel: as in the past such debates are mute and go nowhere; these days, fame and
fortunes
>"Stellar example", wow.
Well. an American wrote that :-) You and I would be more modest Armel :-)
>...such debates are mute and go nowhere;
Hmm. That's a moot point, but let's meet half way;
I agree that in such debates it may be better to remain mute.
Alan.
Alan Hewat, ILL Grenoble, FRANCE
On mercredi 7 Juillet 2004 08:28, Dr. Holger Putz wrote:
> > The algorithm is in the literature, so why prevent
> > the implementation of it in software?
>
> It is true, the algorithm is in the literature; unfortunately, the exact
> form of the potential and especially its parameters have not been
> (i) if the parameters are not just a few numbers derived from the
database,
> but are a significant part of the database (like a list of all interatomic
> distances in the database)
> (ii) if part of the study was directly paid by the CCDC
> But if neither (i) or (ii) are true, i.e. there are ju
On jeudi 8 Juillet 2004 10:37, Dr. Holger Putz wrote:
> > (i) if the parameters are not just a few numbers derived from the
>
> database,
>
> > but are a significant part of the database (like a list of all
> > interatomic distances in the database)
> > (ii) if part of the study was directly paid b
> ...or better, publish the parameters (hint, hint)
That's an excellent idea! I will forward it to Dr. Hofmann.
Thank you!
Holger
***
Dr. Holger Putz
Crystal Impact
Dr. K. Brandenburg & Dr. H. Putz GbR
Postfach 12 51
53002 Bonn
Germany
Tel . : +49-228-9813643
>...it's clearly an abuse and probably illegal...
>So just use the algorithm... and let them sue...
>> ...or better, publish the parameters (hint, hint)
>That's an excellent idea! I will forward it to Dr. Hofmann.
OK, I tried to keep this amusing, but this is getting serious. I am not in any way
Even Armel and I have to pay to eat...
And a brain works better if the stomach is not empty...
So, this story may have convinced you that people
working on proteins are lucky with that open PDB
database, that people working on nucleic acids are
lucky with that open NDB database, that people
workin
On jeudi 8 Juillet 2004 12:07, Alan Hewat wrote:
> I am all in favour of a serious debate on this question, but now we have
> one commercial company criticising another without hearing from the other
> side. And responsible people advocating behaviour that may be illegal.
I would really like to
What a fine debate Armel and Alan have given to us!
I can agree with Alan's point that the CCDC would want a slice of the
money that Crystal Impact would receive. But Crystal Impact's statements
didn't mention fiduciary gain being an issue. I don't know if they
accurately describe the situati
>I would really like to hear the other party, which is why I tried to list a
>few possibilities under which the ccdc position would be understandable.
OK, I have contacted the CCDC for a statement, and they tell me that this is an issue
that is being discussed between the interested parties, th
I have to agree with Vincent that I find aspects of CCDC's apparent
actions troubling and warrant discussion even if all parties reach a
happy agreement behind closed doors. If the CCDC claims partial
ownership of everything derived from their database then how far does
that go? Can they preven
On jeudi 8 Juillet 2004 17:19, Alan Hewat wrote:
> They are informed of the statements made by individuals on this mailing
> list, but feel that on-going commercial negotiations are not a subject for
> public debate. Senior CCDC management, including the people in charge of
> the negotiations, are
Thank you for this interesting discussion. Does this also apply to the ICSD
database? I have made tables from data taken from ICSD - am I going to go
to jail?
- Kurt
- Original Message -
From: "Brian H. Toby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I have made tables from data taken from ICSD - am I going to go to jail?
Depends. If you are going to make your fortune from it and retire to the
south of France on the proceeds, then yes, certainly ! In that case, you
had better read the fine print on
http://www.fiz-informationsdienste.de/en/ag
<>
I fear you will have to go but you can buy yourself out with a lifelong ICSD
subscription! And remember, you have the right to remain silent.
L. Keller
One more cent to the recent discussion on the Hofman potential.
Alan, you have stopped the discussion saying that you are responsible
for the content of this mailing list. I hope not. If some journals
publish the opinions of their readers they always add a notice that "the
ideas expressed in thi
> Armel: as in the past such debates are mute and go nowhere; these days,
fame and
> fortunes are gained by those who copy the fastest and most efficiently or
as one
> of your most brilliant countrymen, H. Balzac, put it: "behind every
fortune
> there is a crime"; once you accept this you can go on
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