Re: [RDD] Storage hard drives

2018-01-27 Thread James Harrison
On 24/01/2018 17:28, Luka Cvetko wrote: > > We started using ZFS on all servers. Another software option there.  FWIW, JBODs with ZFS are incredibly flexible and reliable options. FreeNAS, a box with enough 4T or 6T disks for however much capacity you need in RAIDZ2 or RAIDZ3 configurations, two

Re: [RDD] Storage hard drives

2018-01-24 Thread Cowboy
On Wednesday 24 January 2018 04:49:00 pm Lamar Owen wrote: > The 30GB Maxtor (now of course owned by > Seagate, and the source of the original Enterprise line of drives) in > the same chassis was showing no errors to speak of.  Maxtor was a good line. I bought them almost exclusively while

Re: [RDD] Storage hard drives

2018-01-24 Thread Lamar Owen
On 01/24/2018 01:29 PM, Cowboy wrote: ... Back when I was doing that sort of thing, Seagates dropped heads, WD lost spindle bearings. ... I remember those days.  But, as Paul Harvey would have intoned, in the 'For What It's Worth' Department, I just this past fall decommissioned a Red Hat

Re: [RDD] Storage hard drives

2018-01-24 Thread Cowboy
On Wednesday 24 January 2018 11:41:40 am Andy Higginson wrote: > One of my rules for mirrored systems (and for that matter offline archives), > is to use drives from different manufacturers.  I know that some people don't > like this, however I work on the basis that is there is an issue with a

Re: [RDD] Storage hard drives

2018-01-24 Thread Cowboy
On Wednesday 24 January 2018 12:49:35 pm Lamar Owen wrote: > For what it's worth, the storage company Backblaze produces a quarterly > hard drive failure rate report that is publicly available.  And it *is* worth watching !! Last I looked, their current favored child was a Seagate, but not

Re: [RDD] Storage hard drives

2018-01-24 Thread Cowboy
On Wednesday 24 January 2018 12:28:27 pm Luka Cvetko wrote: > HGST is one more to add to the list of reliable manufacturers. > Used to be. Ultra-top-of-the-line and with the $$ to go with it. Bought by WD or Toshiba, WD I think, and now are just a brand on the main line drives, with a

Re: [RDD] Storage hard drives

2018-01-24 Thread Lamar Owen
On 01/24/2018 11:41 AM, Andy Higginson wrote: ... I know that some people don't like this, however I work on the basis that is there is an issue with a batch of drives, then you are not going to get 2 to fail at about the same time.  You have 3 companies to make your choice from - Seagate,

Re: [RDD] Storage hard drives

2018-01-24 Thread drew Roberts
Andy, do you have a rule of thumb for how much non-partitioned space you leave on each drive? drew On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:41 AM, Andy Higginson wrote: > I would agree with the Linux software RAID-1 mirror. This is what I do > with a number of servers that I've set up

Re: [RDD] Storage hard drives

2018-01-24 Thread Luka Cvetko
Hello, all! > On 24 Jan 2018, at 17:41, Andy Higginson wrote: > > I would agree with the Linux software RAID-1 mirror. We started using ZFS on all servers. Another software option there. > This is what I do with a number of servers that I've set up (not just > Rivendell).

Re: [RDD] Storage hard drives

2018-01-24 Thread Andy Higginson
I would agree with the Linux software RAID-1 mirror. This is what I do with a number of servers that I've set up (not just Rivendell). One of my rules for mirrored systems (and for that matter offline archives), is to use drives from different manufacturers. I know that some people don't

Re: [RDD] Storage hard drives

2018-01-23 Thread Cowboy
On Tuesday 23 January 2018 04:27:31 pm David Klann wrote: > I too have wondered about the longevity of SSD. I have recently started > replacing OS drives in workstations with SSD: the OS drive is easily > reproducible with proper backups and automation. Not enough data yet (< > 2 years) to know

Re: [RDD] Storage hard drives

2018-01-23 Thread Cowboy
On Tuesday 23 January 2018 04:08:32 pm Tim Camp wrote: > I have typically gotten about 5 years out of Google quality sata drives > before they start getting flaky. I have two drives nearing that mark and > want to get ahead of it. OK, putting on my data recovery guy hat for a minute... "Google

Re: [RDD] Storage hard drives

2018-01-23 Thread David Klann
Concur with the life expectancy of spinning rust. I've seen as much as seven years, but that's pushing it -- hard. A NAS with hot drive replacement capability can, as you no doubt know, mitigate the issue of those conventional drives needing "frequent" replacement. I too have wondered about the

Re: [RDD] Storage hard drives

2018-01-23 Thread Cowboy
On Tuesday 23 January 2018 03:29:07 pm Tim Camp wrote: > Any thoughts or considerations for NFS 1tb network storage for var/snd ? > > Drawbacks to SSD? > > 10k rpm SCSI Vs 7200 rpm SATA ? > > Being accessed 24/7 by 6 stations > > Thanks for your thoughts We run a 16T video server, originally

Re: [RDD] Storage hard drives

2018-01-23 Thread Tim Camp
Thanks for the input, yes our whole network is 1gb. I know of course the cost factor of SSD just wonder if there is enough data out yet on reliability and life span. I have typically gotten about 5 years out of Google quality sata drives before they start getting flaky. I have two drives nearing

Re: [RDD] Storage hard drives

2018-01-23 Thread David Klann
Hey Tim, You definitely don't need the speed of 10K RPM drives, and SATA plenty fast enough feeding the bits to caed(8). As far as SSD vs spinning rust goes, I'd say go with your budget. SSDs are still pricey compared with conventional hard drives. I built a 24-drive NAS with conventional 3TB

[RDD] Storage hard drives

2018-01-23 Thread Tim Camp
Greetings, Any thoughts or considerations for NFS 1tb network storage for var/snd ? Drawbacks to SSD? 10k rpm SCSI Vs 7200 rpm SATA ? Being accessed 24/7 by 6 stations Thanks for your thoughts Cheers Tim Camp WZEW-FM WNSP-FM Mobile, Al. ___