Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread Thomas Martitz
alex wallis schrieb: Hi list. I was wondering, is there any chance of getting fs #10311 commited please? as Its a very small change, but I find it an extremely useful patch as it means I can navigate quickly, and if I no something is at one end of a list or menu I can tell instantly when I

Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread Al Le
On 14.06.2009 14:27, Thomas Martitz wrote: alex wallis schrieb: Hi list. I was wondering, is there any chance of getting fs #10311 commited please? [...] I too think it should be committed, but as of now, it doesn't provide a setting and will beep for sighted users too. But with a

Re: Error building ipodpatcher

2009-06-14 Thread asettico
*In data 13/06/2009 20:03, Bryan Childs ha scritto*: The *only* way to brick an ipod is to perform a hard reset whilst it's performing an *Apple* firmware upgrade. You simply cannot do it with Rockbox tools, it's ALWAYS possible to recover it. My experience learnt to me that absolute

Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread Antony Stone
On Sunday 14 June 2009 13:46, Al Le wrote: On 14.06.2009 14:27, Thomas Martitz wrote: alex wallis schrieb: Hi list. I was wondering, is there any chance of getting fs #10311 commited please? [...] I too think it should be committed, but as of now, it doesn't provide a setting and

Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread Thomas Martitz
Antony Stone schrieb: On Sunday 14 June 2009 13:46, Al Le wrote: On 14.06.2009 14:27, Thomas Martitz wrote: alex wallis schrieb: Hi list. I was wondering, is there any chance of getting fs #10311 commited please? [...] I too think it should be committed, but as of

Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread Paul Louden
Thomas Martitz wrote: That seems like a good idea to me, I was always in favor of some kind of Turn on accessibility features setting :) Best regards. Accessibility features shouldn't be grouped as a single setting, nor should they be named accessibility if they aren't exclusively used for

Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread Antony Stone
On Sunday 14 June 2009 14:40, Paul Louden wrote: This setting shouldn't be dependent upon voice. There's no reason to force it on people using voice who don't want beeps too. On Sunday 14 June 2009 13:46, Al Le wrote: But with a setting it will be considered settings bloat and will have

Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread Dominik Riebeling
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Antony Stoneantony.st...@rockbox.open.source.it wrote: On Sunday 14 June 2009 13:46, Al Le wrote: Why not use the same setting as for speech on/off? Why not use the beep setting we already have? That beep setting currently only affects skipping in the wps, but

Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread Antony Stone
On Sunday 14 June 2009 15:49, Dominik Riebeling wrote: On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Antony Stoneantony.st...@rockbox.open.source.it wrote: On Sunday 14 June 2009 13:46, Al Le wrote: Why not use the same setting as for speech on/off? Why not use the beep setting we already have? That

Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread Paul Louden
Antony Stone wrote: Is the problem with yet another setting the storage space required to remember it, or the menu complexity required to provide access to it? The memory involved should be trivial compared to any code implementing the new feature. Settings bloat generally refers to the

Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread alex wallis
snip They're simply two very different notifications, they just happen to both beep as their means of notifying you. That being said, I'm not really sure I understand why an end-of-list beep is necessary. If you're looking at the screen, it obviously isn't. If you're managing blind and using

Pure Data on Rockbox -- weekly update

2009-06-14 Thread Wincent Balin
Hello to all Rockbox developers, this week I advanced in the startup process of Pure Data. Quite a lot of files were changed, most were added to the FlySpray task #10244, some remained in the working copy. In the file pdbox-func.c (see FlySpray task) I added some missing functions. Also, an

Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread Paul Louden
alex wallis wrote: I have found in the past that doing that can some times crash the player, but also this is not a very efficient way for a blind user to navigate, as if you are just holding down the joystick and looking for particular things you could easily miss them. at the moment, lists

Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread Thomas Martitiz
Am 14.06.2009 22:50, schrieb Paul Louden: No, if you hold down the button it stops at the end of the list. If you were looking for an item IN the list, you wouldn't reach the end and need the beep anyway. If you wanted to reach the end, you just hold the button down and as soon as spelling /

Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread Paul Louden
Thomas Martitiz wrote: I can imagine that it speeds up browsing for the blinds. And that's what Alex is reporting. Why can't you believe it? Best regards, I'm trying to understand exactly how this feature is used because so far he's only described it as it lets me identify the end of the

Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread Alex Parker
Thomas Martitiz wrote: Why can't you believe it? Asking someone to explain why they find something useful *in no way* implies that you don't believe that they find it useful. Alex

Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread Dominik Riebeling
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Alex Parkerparker.ale...@gmail.com wrote: Thomas Martitiz wrote: Why can't you believe it? Asking someone to explain why they find something useful *in no way* implies that you don't believe that they find it useful. One can go even one step further: asking

Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread Thomas Martitiz
Am 14.06.2009 23:27, schrieb Dominik Riebeling: On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Alex Parkerparker.ale...@gmail.com wrote: Thomas Martitiz wrote: Why can't you believe it? Asking someone to explain why they find something useful *in no way* implies that you don't believe

Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread Alex Parker
Thomas Martitiz wrote: Am 14.06.2009 23:27, schrieb Dominik Riebeling: On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Alex Parkerparker.ale...@gmail.com wrote: Thomas Martitiz wrote: Why can't you believe it? Asking someone to explain why they find something useful *in no way* implies that

Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread alex wallis
Thomas Martitiz wrote: I can imagine that it speeds up browsing for the blinds. And that's what Alex is reporting. Why can't you believe it? Best regards, I'm trying to understand exactly how this feature is used because so far he's only described it as it lets me identify the end of

Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread Paul Louden
alex wallis wrote: however I just did a test, and once I was holding the joystick in a given direction to scroll through the menu, the speech wasn't playing, which I would find annoying if it was constantly trying to say things. The only reason I knew scrolling to the end of the main menu

Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread alex wallis
alex wallis wrote: however I just did a test, and once I was holding the joystick in a given direction to scroll through the menu, the speech wasn't playing, which I would find annoying if it was constantly trying to say things. The only reason I knew scrolling to the end of the main menu

Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread Paul Louden
alex wallis wrote: it would be solved but it would lead to slower browsing. as at the moment, I hear the beep from the patch and I know instantly I have reached the end of the menu or list. however, if the speech started to play for the last item in the list, I feel I would take longer to

End of list beep

2009-06-14 Thread Thomas Lloyd
Usecase: I am using rockbox with voice files i have each file with a voice tag, I want to get to a song beginning with S. Lets say we have 1000 songs, I can scroll and then stop periodically to listen to my current location (slow). I will know when i am near or far away from the song i want. We

Re: End of list beep

2009-06-14 Thread Paul Louden
Thomas Lloyd wrote: I do it forward as a clockwise rotation on the E200 is more comfortable to achieve than anticlockwise. So a beep at the end of the list could come in very useful. Why can't you scroll up a single entry exactly? If you scroll down to the beep, you then still *have* to scroll

Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread Thomas Martitiz
Am 14.06.2009 23:49, schrieb Alex Parker: So perhaps instead of saying something inflamatory like Why can't you believe it? you could have said that, and then pointed to where he explained it? (1) http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10311 (2)

Re: End of list beep

2009-06-14 Thread Thomas Martitiz
Am 15.06.2009 00:30, schrieb Paul Louden: Thomas Lloyd wrote: I do it forward as a clockwise rotation on the E200 is more comfortable to achieve than anticlockwise. So a beep at the end of the list could come in very useful. Why can't you scroll up a single entry exactly? If you scroll down to

Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread Paul Louden
Thomas Martitiz wrote: Am 14.06.2009 23:49, schrieb Alex Parker: So perhaps instead of saying something inflamatory like Why can't you believe it? you could have said that, and then pointed to where he explained it? (1) http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10311 (2)

Re: End of list beep

2009-06-14 Thread Paul Louden
Thomas Martitiz wrote: You're not always at the very beginning of a list. Rockbox remembers the selection, which makes scrolling just 1 item up impossible then. This is true if you back out of a folder. So now we're in a situation where someone is backing out of a sub-list, and wants to

Re: GSoC status update: USB stack development

2009-06-14 Thread Menachem Shapiro
BH On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Tomer Shalev shalev.to...@gmail.comwrote: Hello Rockboxers, snip I had used an USB analyzer device in the past, but now I no longer have such, and it is much harder for me to work without such device, therefore I need any kind of help from those who are

Re: End of list beep

2009-06-14 Thread Thomas Martitiz
Am 15.06.2009 01:07, schrieb Paul Louden: No matter who's doing the talking, nobody can say this is the best solution to the problem without first defining the scope of the problem. Since the only problem described seems to be getting to the bottom of the list there are much faster ways to

Re: committal of patch

2009-06-14 Thread Andrew Hart
alex wallis wrote: [snip] Hi Paul I understand you want to know why I find this patch useful. Well I actually didn't know that holding the joystick in a given direction continuously would take me to the end of a list and stop me there, as a side note, perhaps the manual should be updated to

Re: End of list beep

2009-06-14 Thread Andrew Hart
Paul Louden wrote: Thomas Lloyd wrote: I do it forward as a clockwise rotation on the E200 is more comfortable to achieve than anticlockwise. So a beep at the end of the list could come in very useful. Why can't you scroll up a single entry exactly? If you scroll down to the beep, you then

Re: End of list beep

2009-06-14 Thread Andrew Hart
Paul Louden wrote: Thomas Lloyd wrote: I do it forward as a clockwise rotation on the E200 is more comfortable to achieve than anticlockwise. So a beep at the end of the list could come in very useful. Why can't you scroll up a single entry exactly? If you scroll down to the beep, you then

Re: End of list beep

2009-06-14 Thread Andrew Hart
Apologies for the double post. Thunderbird gave me the impression the post didn't go out as it was still sitting in the drafts folder. I should have been more patient and checked the sent folder instead. In any case, I want to make a further comment below. Andrew Hart wrote: Having a