Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-12 Thread Virgin Account
You mean: "Looks good, what about the sound?" Sorry: no recordings yet !...the snap is just a rehearsal. Performance at the RCM May 18, and coming to a website near you soon thereafter. Cheers, Graham === On 12 Mar 2006, at 17:31, Chris Cannam wro

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-12 Thread Chris Cannam
On Saturday 11 Mar 2006 14:24, Nicholas Bailey wrote: > I'm working away on our web site when time permits, but until that's > ready, I've put a snapshot I took here: > http://www.polonius.uklinux.net/rcm.jpg of a rehearsal session in the > basement of the Royal College of Music, London. Nice pic

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-11 Thread D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre
On Saturday 11 March 2006 9:24 am, Nicholas Bailey wrote: > ready, I've put a snapshot I took here: > http://www.polonius.uklinux.net/rcm.jpg of a rehearsal session in the That's a bit amusing to me. If I were in the same room where somebody was trying to get me to play some kind of freaky 19-t

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-11 Thread Nicholas Bailey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10 Mar 2006, at 4:37 pm, D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre wrote: The glasgow-pitch-tracker people might have some work in this area worth checking out. I've never actually done anything with their branch, but it sounded like they were trying, amo

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-10 Thread Dougie McGilvray
D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre wrote: The glasgow-pitch-tracker people might have some work in this area worth checking out. I've never actually done anything with their branch, but it sounded like they were trying, among other things, to get RG to play quarter tones by inserting appropriate pi

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-10 Thread D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre
On Friday 10 March 2006 7:49 am, Michelle Donalies wrote: > To put this somewhat back on-topic, not only is E# not the same as F, > G-double-sharp isn't the same as A. It only works out to be so in an True, true. I hear about this in the trumpet community all the time. "Tuners are useless. Yo

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-10 Thread Dougie McGilvray
Chris Cannam wrote: On Friday 10 Mar 2006 14:16, Michelle Donalies wrote: On Friday 10 March 2006 08:53 am, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: Scala? I'm not familiar with that one. It's quite a different thing -- it's a utility for looking at concrete tunings (in frequency term

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-10 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 3/10/06, Michelle Donalies wrote: > On Friday 10 March 2006 08:53 am, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > > Scala? > > I'm not familiar with that one. I was just thinking of the "popular big > expensive ones," like Finale, Cakewalk, & MOTU. Logic Audio? Alexandre --

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-10 Thread Chris Cannam
On Friday 10 Mar 2006 14:16, Michelle Donalies wrote: > On Friday 10 March 2006 08:53 am, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > > Scala? > > I'm not familiar with that one. It's quite a different thing -- it's a utility for looking at concrete tunings (in frequency terms) combined with a collection of tu

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-10 Thread Michelle Donalies
On Friday 10 March 2006 08:53 am, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > Scala? I'm not familiar with that one. I was just thinking of the "popular big expensive ones," like Finale, Cakewalk, & MOTU. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a ground

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-10 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 3/10/06, Michelle Donalies wrote: > BTW, I don't know of any music program that does fully support tunings in a > fundamental way. Scala? http://www.xs4all.nl/~huygensf/scala/ Alexandre --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a ground

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-10 Thread Michelle Donalies
On Friday 10 March 2006 01:11 am, D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre wrote: > (I think black keys are evil. They lead to things like our own Chris > Cannam telling me "there is no such note as E#." Musing on this the other > day, the only reason I can come up with for black keys to exist at all is > to

OT: Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-10 Thread Vince Negri
On 3/10/06, D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sometimes you need to play more than one note at the same time to > prove a point, and a guitar gives you six without having to figure out what > those silly black keys are all about. > > (I think black keys are evil. They lead

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-09 Thread D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre
On Thursday 09 March 2006 8:20 am, Michelle Donalies wrote: > helps a lot. I don't have any tuning problems. I don't have any tuning problems either, because I never touch the stupid whammy bar. We both win. :) I've just never seen the point, but then I play an electric guitar almost the sam

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-09 Thread Michelle Donalies
On Thursday 09 March 2006 06:00 am, Vince Negri wrote: > On 3/8/06, D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, who needs a whammy bar anyway. Mine is in a drawer around here > > somewhere, I think. :) > > I don't blame you. The only trem I ever have that stayed in tune was

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-09 Thread Vince Negri
On 3/8/06, D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 08 March 2006 9:11 am, Vince Negri wrote: > > > What is missing are special markers (whammy bar etc.) > > Well, who needs a whammy bar anyway. Mine is in a drawer around here > somewhere, I think. :) I don't blame

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-08 Thread D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre
On Wednesday 08 March 2006 9:11 am, Vince Negri wrote: > What is missing are special markers (whammy bar etc.) Well, who needs a whammy bar anyway. Mine is in a drawer around here somewhere, I think. :) This might be another entry into the In House Printing vs. Export to Lilypond debate if o

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-08 Thread D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre
On Wednesday 08 March 2006 11:06 am, Chris Cannam wrote: > I've just tried out KGuitar for the first time in several years, and it > does look very nice. The code looks fairly clean too. I can't claim to > know what it's doing though. It's like a cello, with two extra strings, tuned to differen

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-08 Thread D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre
On Wednesday 08 March 2006 4:36 am, Vince Negri wrote: > Note that KGuitar has a midi-to-tab conversion feature, so there's a > source of code and algorithms there. I got that working, sort of. Nothing wrong with KGuitar. It's my kernel, apparently. Everything is getting stuck opening /dev/sn

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-08 Thread Michelle Donalies
On Wednesday 08 March 2006 10:42 am, Chris Cannam wrote: > Back to tablature. Another thing that may be a useful exercise would be to > simply hack the existing NotationStaff so that it displays tab instead. already started that. I'm actually on the second iteration. I made a mess of things on t

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-08 Thread Chris Cannam
On Wednesday 08 Mar 2006 09:51, Guillaume Laurent wrote: > Vince Negri wrote: > > Note that KGuitar has a midi-to-tab conversion feature, so there's a > > source of code and algorithms there. > > Not only there : http://kguitar.sourceforge.net/screen.php. I wonder if > the guy would be interested i

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-08 Thread Chris Cannam
On Wednesday 08 Mar 2006 14:47, Michelle Donalies wrote: > This is good to know. Somehow I was under the impression that the lack of a > grand staff was by design and wasn't considered to be useful. Not at all, no. Again, it's an open question whether a grand staff is a distinct type of staff, o

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-08 Thread Michelle Donalies
On Wednesday 08 March 2006 06:55 am, Chris Cannam wrote: > I think a good first exercise would be to look at the references to > NotationStaff in notationview, notationviewslots, notationcanvasview.cpp, > notationtool.cpp etc and see how many of them are actually relying on > behaviour that is only

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-08 Thread Michelle Donalies
On Tuesday 07 March 2006 04:20 pm, D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre wrote: > On Tuesday 07 March 2006 7:15 am, Vince Negri wrote: > > This really comes down to the desired effect in the GUI. I've seen two > > main styles for tab: > > 1) As a second staff underneath a trad notation staff. In this case,

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-08 Thread Vince Negri
On 3/6/06, D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm going to have to skip this and go to work. I do want to throw out one > thing while you're in the planning stages. We really do need to try to make > everything possible exportable to Lilypond. I have no idea off hand what

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-08 Thread Chris Cannam
On Tuesday 07 Mar 2006 20:48, D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre wrote: > It's worth noting one caveat. It stores your password in ~ somewhere in > clear text Really? Can you find where? I can't find it here. That would be bad. Chris --- This S

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-08 Thread Chris Cannam
On Tuesday 07 Mar 2006 18:02, Michelle Donalies wrote: > I'm beginning to see how the NotationView works. It's current limitation is > that since there's only one kind of staff being used in the view, that's > all it knows how to deal with. Just subclassing from NotationStaff won't > automatically

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-08 Thread Vince Negri
Sorry, it's the gmail web interface's fault - too easy to just type the reply and not see where it's being sent! On 3/8/06, Guillaume Laurent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vince Negri wrote: > > I notice that Kguitar outputs tab format (2) ;-) This is a > > coincidence, I assure you! > > (I do now

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-08 Thread Guillaume Laurent
Vince Negri wrote: I notice that Kguitar outputs tab format (2) ;-) This is a coincidence, I assure you! (I do now agree that format (1) should be the inital goal) I haven't read the thread about tab formats yet, but *please* do reply to the mailing-list and not to me only :-). On 3/8/06,

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-08 Thread Guillaume Laurent
Vince Negri wrote: Note that KGuitar has a midi-to-tab conversion feature, so there's a source of code and algorithms there. Not only there : http://kguitar.sourceforge.net/screen.php. I wonder if the guy would be interested in collaborating with us in some way. Chris, what do you think ?

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-08 Thread Vince Negri
> > This really comes down to the desired effect in the GUI. > I think I'd lean toward whatever Lilypond can do, primarily. Just with half > an eye toward eventual exportability. There is a lot of variation in tab, > but we probably need to pick one style and make that the only choice. > > My fi

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-07 Thread Chris Cannam
On Tuesday 07 Mar 2006 21:28, D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre wrote: > I expect Chris will chime in eventually Yes, sorry about my silence so far -- good to see the momentum in this discussion, and I hope it doesn't all dissipate when I finally get around to joining in at any length (which will pro

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-07 Thread D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre
On Tuesday 07 March 2006 1:02 pm, Michelle Donalies wrote: > LinedStaff may be a bit too general. Conceptually (from reading the code > comments), LinedStaff is meant to work for views other than NotationView, > so we don't want to clutter it. That means there should be a eg. the pitch picker wid

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-07 Thread D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre
On Tuesday 07 March 2006 7:15 am, Vince Negri wrote: > when it is required. Presumably, if we use the built in event property > mechanism, saving > this info will almost code itself :) Just about. Rosegarden is pretty well designed when it comes to stuff like this. > This really comes down to

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-07 Thread D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre
On Tuesday 07 March 2006 4:38 am, Chris Cannam wrote: > I found that it assumed the username from the local user, and only asked > for the password, unless I gave it a username with --username. That > would be fine if your username was the same in both places, which mine > wasn't, at the time. Y

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-07 Thread Michelle Donalies
I'm beginning to see how the NotationView works. It's current limitation is that since there's only one kind of staff being used in the view, that's all it knows how to deal with. Just subclassing from NotationStaff won't automatically work. I think the view and the staves it contains will need

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-07 Thread Michelle Donalies
On Tuesday 07 March 2006 09:55 am, Vince Negri wrote: > > I'd like to go for 1). The other is only appropriate for simple tabs. > > Having the note durations and such in the tab makes more complicated > > tablatures very difficult to read. > > But it's more compact for simpler tab. ;-) Agreed. It

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-07 Thread Vince Negri
> > This really comes down to the desired effect in the GUI. I've seen two > > main styles for tab: > > 1) As a second staff underneath a trad notation staff. In this case, > > all the tab shows are the frettings. Rhythm, dynamics etc are all on > > the trad staff. > > 2) As a self-sufficient staff

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-07 Thread Michelle Donalies
On Tuesday 07 March 2006 07:15 am, Vince Negri wrote: > If I understand correctly, RG thinks in terms of events. Each event can > have one or more named properties. So you only need to add the tab info to > a note event > when it is required. Presumably, if we use the built in event property > mech

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-07 Thread Vince Negri
If you're going to go down this road, take into account that the sort of double staff you're creating could be of use for others later who wish to implement piano scores. So arrange your class hierarchy accordingly: you may want an intermediate class that handles the double staff presentation (sinc

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-07 Thread Michelle Donalies
After nosing around the code a bit, I'd like to propose a plan. I suggest a class named TabStaff that is derived from NotationStaff. It uses all the functionality of the NotationStaff and adds the lines and for the tablature below. A vertical line joins the tab lines to the notational part at th

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-07 Thread Vince Negri
On 3/5/06, Michelle Donalies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The string and fret notation seem to be just integer properties added to a > Note event. If so, then there's a question: does every Note get some sort of > default tab info (wasteful) or should defaults only be generated when a tab > staff

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-07 Thread Chris Cannam
On Tuesday 07 Mar 2006 09:40, Guillaume Laurent wrote: > If you checked out anonymously (which I did), on the first 'svn > commit' svn will ask for your username/password and store it. I found that it assumed the username from the local user, and only asked for the password, unless I gave it a us

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-07 Thread Guillaume Laurent
D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre wrote: On Monday 06 March 2006 11:18 pm, Stephen Torri wrote: I do have a few simple error checking things I want to commit. What do I have to do to commit them via subversion? Anything more than just 'svn commit'? (answering Stephen) : Nothing more,

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-07 Thread Chris Cannam
On Tuesday 07 Mar 2006 08:48, D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre wrote: > On Monday 06 March 2006 11:18 pm, Stephen Torri wrote: > > I do have a few simple error checking things I want to commit. What > > do I have to do to commit them via subversion? Anything more than > > just 'svn commit'? > > It depe

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-07 Thread D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre
On Monday 06 March 2006 11:18 pm, Stephen Torri wrote: > Sure I am busy. I do not recommend assisting two classes with grading > homework while taking three. Its an interesting lesson in time > management. And for my part I've been meaning to look and see what I can do for your code for what mus

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-06 Thread Stephen Torri
On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 17:21 +, Chris Cannam wrote: > On Sunday 05 Mar 2006 15:10, Michelle Donalies wrote: > > I'm going to assume for the moment that no one's started any guitar > > tablature. > > Correct as far as I know. > > Stephen Torri's fretboard display code is now in the Subversion t

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-06 Thread Chris Cannam
On Sunday 05 Mar 2006 15:10, Michelle Donalies wrote: > I'm going to assume for the moment that no one's started any guitar > tablature. Correct as far as I know. Stephen Torri's fretboard display code is now in the Subversion trunk -- I've only just committed the vital fix that made it actually

Re: [Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-05 Thread D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre
On Sunday 05 March 2006 10:10 am, you wrote: > Did something happen to the list? I finally make a post and everyone > disappears. :( I answered you. Did it not make it to the list? I never see any of my own posts on the list, even when they do make it through. I have no idea why. I've been ha

[Rosegarden-devel] tablature again

2006-03-05 Thread Michelle Donalies
Did something happen to the list? I finally make a post and everyone disappears. :( FIrst things first: Is there a nightly or weekly build to download? I tried anonymous cvs, which refused the connection, so I'm going off the code from the latest release. Second: The scons build system is unfam