Re: [sage-devel] Re: bug wranglers

2010-10-21 Thread Tom Boothby
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:24 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:10 AM, Johan S. R. Nielsen j.s.r.niel...@mat.dtu.dk wrote: I think that Burcin's suggestion is excellent.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: bug wranglers

2010-10-21 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:24 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:10 AM, Johan S. R. Nielsen j.s.r.niel...@mat.dtu.dk wrote: I think that Burcin's suggestion is excellent.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: bug wranglers

2010-10-21 Thread Burcin Erocal
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:04:56 +0100 Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: To make matters easier to follow, lets look at Burcin's proposals. http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel/msg/40d2af34d86586de?hl=en and consider them, here in an abbreviated and expanded form. 1)

Re: [sage-devel] Re: bug wranglers

2010-10-21 Thread Burcin Erocal
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:08:12 -0700 William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:41 AM, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: snip Not to be overly pessimistic, but one metric we do not collect, but Google do for us, is the number of posts each month to sage-devel. There

Re: [sage-devel] Re: bug wranglers

2010-10-21 Thread Burcin Erocal
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:24:13 -0700 William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:10 AM, Johan S. R. Nielsen j.s.r.niel...@mat.dtu.dk wrote: I think that Burcin's suggestion is excellent.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: bug wranglers

2010-10-21 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu wrote: Thus psage will be a superset of a subset of sage. Yes. Do you envision a migration path of code from psage to sage? Yes. (Perhaps not instigated or executed by the original authors of the code of

Re: [sage-devel] Re: bug wranglers

2010-10-21 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 10/21/10 11:23 AM, Burcin Erocal wrote: On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:04:56 +0100 Dr. David Kirkbydavid.kir...@onetel.net wrote: Several categories have nobody at all assigned to them. Since I'm an admin on trac I can see this. These include: * cygwin * debian-package * distribution

Re: [sage-devel] Re: bug wranglers

2010-10-21 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 10/21/10 11:23 AM, Burcin Erocal wrote: On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:04:56 +0100 Dr. David Kirkbydavid.kir...@onetel.net wrote: Several categories have nobody at all assigned to them. Since I'm an admin on trac I can see this. These include: * cygwin * debian-package * distribution

Re: [sage-devel] Re: bug wranglers

2010-10-21 Thread Robert Bradshaw
Thanks, very reassuring. Perhaps it would be useful to make that more clear at http://purple.sagemath.org/dsage.html (though that page really seems to be more about the differences rather than relationship between the two projects). On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:54 AM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com

Re: [sage-devel] Re: bug wranglers

2010-10-21 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: On 10/21/10 11:23 AM, Burcin Erocal wrote: On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:04:56 +0100 Dr. David Kirkbydavid.kir...@onetel.net  wrote: Several categories have nobody at all assigned to them. Since I'm an admin on trac I

Re: Re: [sage-devel] Re: bug wranglers

2010-10-20 Thread Martin Albrecht
The idea of having one piece of a Sage days devoted to people sharing ideas from books they read in a coordinated way sounds plausible as well, though probably it would really depend on the Sage days in question. That would sound good. If each person read a chapter of a book on a topic,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: bug wranglers

2010-10-20 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 10/20/10 10:37 AM, Martin Albrecht wrote: The idea of having one piece of a Sage days devoted to people sharing ideas from books they read in a coordinated way sounds plausible as well, though probably it would really depend on the Sage days in question. That would sound good. If each

Re: [sage-devel] Re: bug wranglers

2010-10-20 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:41 AM, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: Often bugs should really be in several categories, but one can only chose one. IMHO it should be a tick-box, not a pull-down. If something with an elliptic I didn't know this was possible on Trac; certainly this would

Re: [sage-devel] Re: bug wranglers

2010-10-20 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 10/20/10 03:41 PM, kcrisman wrote: Often bugs should really be in several categories, but one can only chose one. IMHO it should be a tick-box, not a pull-down. If something with an elliptic I didn't know this was possible on Trac; certainly this would overcome a lot of problems.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: bug wranglers

2010-10-20 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:10 AM, Johan S. R. Nielsen j.s.r.niel...@mat.dtu.dk wrote: I think that Burcin's suggestion is excellent. Development of Sage should definitely move towards more structure, documentation, testing and other software engineering practices, but as for any Open Source-

Re: [sage-devel] Re: bug wranglers

2010-10-20 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:10 AM, Johan S. R. Nielsen j.s.r.niel...@mat.dtu.dk wrote: I think that Burcin's suggestion is excellent. Development of Sage should definitely move towards more structure,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: bug wranglers

2010-10-19 Thread Mike Hansen
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Dr David Kirkby drkir...@gmail.com wrote: If that crashes Sage, and stops lots of people working on a Sage server, I think that's pretty serious, though not as bad as incorrect results. It only crashes that one user's session. Each worksheet is run in a

Re: [sage-devel] Re: bug wranglers

2010-10-19 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 10/19/10 05:06 PM, kcrisman wrote: I was not suggesting anyone spend 10,000 hours studying the subject of software engeering. I'm not suggesting people need to be experts. But perhaps spending 20-50 hours on it is not unreasonable. I don't know about you, but I've probably devoted 1000