Re: [sage-devel] Should SSL support be checked in 'prereq' ?

2010-02-03 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Robert Bradshaw wrote: On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: Faillure to build the haslib module results from a failure to find the SSL libraries. Would it not be more sensible to check for these in prereq, then exit if they are not found. It

Re: [sage-devel] Should SSL support be checked in 'prereq' ?

2010-02-02 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Jan 31, 2010, at 4:01 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: But I can see no justification for letting someone try to build Sage, for it to fail a couple of hours later, in a way we could have predicted in less than a minute. I think the 'prerequ' configure script should check for OpenSSL and

Re: [sage-devel] Should SSL support be checked in 'prereq' ?

2010-02-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Robert Bradshaw wrote: On Jan 31, 2010, at 4:01 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: But I can see no justification for letting someone try to build Sage, for it to fail a couple of hours later, in a way we could have predicted in less than a minute. I think the 'prerequ' configure script should

Re: [sage-devel] Should SSL support be checked in 'prereq' ?

2010-02-02 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: Starting to build Sage, then finding the python builds, but finds to find the hashlib module is a bit irritating. There is is a specific test for this in spkg-install. - # Make sure

Re: [sage-devel] Should SSL support be checked in 'prereq' ?

2010-02-01 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
William Stein wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: William Stein wrote: Personally, I do not believe it is legal to ship OpenSSL and for Sage to remain GPL, unless you could get the python developers agree to add an clause that permits linking

Re: [sage-devel] Should SSL support be checked in 'prereq' ?

2010-01-31 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
William Stein wrote: On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: Starting to build Sage, then finding the python builds, but finds to find the hashlib module is a bit irritating. There is is a specific test for this in spkg-install.

Re: [sage-devel] Should SSL support be checked in 'prereq' ?

2010-01-31 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Dr. David Kirkby wrote: I was not actually suggesting shipping OpenSSL, as I knew there were license implications. But I think you would have to agree it is pretty annoying for someone to download Sage, start a build, then the build fail due to lack of OpenSSL. I do not believe this issue

Re: [sage-devel] Should SSL support be checked in 'prereq' ?

2010-01-31 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Dr. David Kirkby wrote: 3) Change Sage so that the hashlib module of python is not essential for a functioning Sage. That is I suspect the easiest option. I don't claim to understand how Sage builds fully, but I would have thought crypto support was not a requirement. What I mean is, that a

Re: [sage-devel] Should SSL support be checked in 'prereq' ?

2010-01-31 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Jan 31, 2010, at 2:15 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: Dr. David Kirkby wrote: I was not actually suggesting shipping OpenSSL, as I knew there were license implications. But I think you would have to agree it is pretty annoying for someone to download Sage, start a build, then the build fail

Re: [sage-devel] Should SSL support be checked in 'prereq' ?

2010-01-31 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Robert Bradshaw wrote: On Jan 31, 2010, at 2:15 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: Dr. David Kirkby wrote: I was not actually suggesting shipping OpenSSL, as I knew there were license implications. But I think you would have to agree it is pretty annoying for someone to download Sage, start a

Re: Re: [sage-devel] Should SSL support be checked in 'prereq' ?

2010-01-31 Thread Martin Albrecht
The only place I know it's used is to serve up secure notebooks, but I bet its used elsewhere too. I see another option IF that is all, then that hardly seems a major loss of functionality. I bet most people don't use the secure notebooks anyway. I can see they have advantages though,

Re: [sage-devel] Should SSL support be checked in 'prereq' ?

2010-01-31 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Martin Albrecht wrote: The only place I know it's used is to serve up secure notebooks, but I bet its used elsewhere too. I see another option IF that is all, then that hardly seems a major loss of functionality. I bet most people don't use the secure notebooks anyway. I can see they have

Re: [sage-devel] Should SSL support be checked in 'prereq' ?

2010-01-31 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: William Stein wrote: Personally, I do not believe it is legal to ship OpenSSL and for Sage to remain GPL, unless you could get the python developers agree to add an clause that permits linking against OpenSSL.

Re: [sage-devel] Should SSL support be checked in 'prereq' ?

2010-01-31 Thread Dan Drake
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 at 10:15AM +, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: 3) Change Sage so that the hashlib module of python is not essential for a functioning Sage. That is I suspect the easiest option. I don't claim to understand how Sage builds fully, but I would have thought crypto support was not a

Re: [sage-devel] Should SSL support be checked in 'prereq' ?

2010-01-30 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: Starting to build Sage, then finding the python builds, but finds to find the hashlib module is a bit irritating. There is is a specific test for this in spkg-install. - # Make sure