Re: [scots-l] Modal Tunes (but seriously)

2003-07-17 Thread Jack Campin
> I had an experience recently with a tune which we were playing for a > particular purpose. It was Morrison's (jig) which is Irish in origin > but much loved, with a life of its own in Scotland. > A double bass player looked at the sheet music and played along with > the tune. He then complained t

Re: [scots-l] Modal Tunes (but seriously)

2003-07-17 Thread Toby Rider
Jim Dawson wrote: This might be true amongst...dare I say it...the more senior traditional musicians amongst us, but in my humble opinion that is changing rapidly where younger musicians are concerned. Take Shooglenifty, Peatbog Fairies, Afro Celt Sound System, Sandy Brechin...for example, they

RE: [scots-l] Modal Tunes (but seriously)

2003-07-17 Thread Jim Dawson
Nigel Gatherer wrote: >Jim Dawson, I believe, is talking about improvisation which is a whole >different colour of horse, and not a subject which immediately comes to >mind in a discussion of Scottish music. I remember in my green youth >getting very excited about my first exposure to pibroch; I a

Re: [scots-l] Modal Tunes (but seriously)

2003-07-17 Thread Toby Rider
Nigel Gatherer wrote: Jim Dawson, I believe, is talking about improvisation which is a whole different colour of horse, and not a subject which immediately comes to mind in a discussion of Scottish music. I remember in my green youth getting very excited about my first exposure to pibroch; I asked

Re: [scots-l] Even Gaelic isn't safe!

2003-07-17 Thread Ian Adkins SO-CS 9ER-03
Toby Rider said: > Can you believe it? > > http://www.tonguetied.us/archives/000643.php > Oh, I believe it. Have you seen any textbooks recently? Everything has been sanitized. I keep imagine little workers bees in blue coveralls buzzing around the basement of the Ministry of Truth rewriti

[scots-l] Oswald

2003-07-17 Thread David Greenberg
I am listening right now to a sonata by Oswald, "The Virgin's Bower" which will be on the forthcoming "Ferintosh" CD (David Greenberg, fiddle - Abby Newton, cello - Kim Robertson, harp). It's the most "baroque art music" of anything on there, but there is other crossover between trad and baroq

Re: [scots-l] Modal Tunes (but seriously)

2003-07-17 Thread David Greenberg
A double bass player looked at the sheet music and played along with the tune. He then complained that it was in two sharps but was in E minor. My explanation that it was a dorian not an aeolian tune ( I do hope I got this bit right) was greeted with some derision. OK, if modes do not mean anyth

[scots-l] Modal Tunes (but seriously)

2003-07-17 Thread Nigel Gatherer
Dan Mozell wrote: > I may have missed some of this thread. The bass player wasn't really > wrong. Standard notation practice (not folk musicians notation > practice) would be to write an E Dorian tune with the E minor/G major > key signature of one sharp (F#) and then sharp the individual Cs in >

[scots-l] Norwegain reels

2003-07-17 Thread Manuel Waldesco
I've been recently listening to an album by Norwegian fiddler, trump player and whistler Anon Egeland.   He plays traditional music from the Agder region in Southern Norway. Alongside the usual repertoire of Norwegian dance tunes (halling, hambo, polka...) there are two 'rilen'. This is the f

[scots-l] Re: Modal Tunes (but seriously)

2003-07-17 Thread Danmozell
I may have missed some of this thread. The bass player wasn't really wrong. Standard notation practice (not folk musicians notation practice) would be to write an E Dorian tune with the E minor/G major key signature of one sharp (F#) and then sharp the individual Cs in the tune. It needs to be expl

Re: [scots-l] Re: Modal Tunes (but seriously)

2003-07-17 Thread Manuel Waldesco
> That's a case where a music education was a hindrance rather than an > advantage. Had the bassist learned the tune aurally it would not have > occurred to him to question whether it was in a minor key or dorian; it > should just have sounded "right." If it didn't, the further education > he'd n

[scots-l] Re: Modal Tunes (but seriously)

2003-07-17 Thread Nigel Gatherer
Philip Whittaker wrote: > A double bass player...complained that it was in two sharps but was > in E minor. My explanation that it was a dorian not an aeolian > tune...was greeted with some derision. OK, if modes do not mean > anything to you how do you explain this one? That's a case where a mus

[scots-l] Modal Tunes (but seriously)

2003-07-17 Thread Philip Whittaker
Whenever modes come up, it seems to polarise folk on the list. You need to know about modes v why is it worth knowing about this. I had an experience recently with a tune which we were playing for a particular purpose. It was Morrison's (jig) which is Irish in origin but much loved, with a life