Re: ShopTalk: rifle conversion tables/cpm issues

2009-07-23 Thread Robert Devino
SORRY! Probably just bored you know what they say about idol hands! Sincerely, Robert Devino 14252 Delano St. Van Nuys, Ca. 91401 (818) 908-1691 From: Allen Humphrey To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 7:06:49 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk

Re: ShopTalk: rifle conversion tables/cpm issues

2009-07-23 Thread Allen Humphrey
of course.I was talking about the '90s, when there was a reference of 5.5s to R, etc...what we do/speak about today as clubbuilder/fitters and what we do in general discussion are different..I have many clients who think all Rs are Rs, Ss all the same S etc. It's a study in education. I

Re: ShopTalk: rifle conversion tables/cpm issues

2009-07-23 Thread Robert Devino
Personally I am surprised to see any professional builder using terms like "R" or "S". I though to fit some one correctly you find a shaft and head combo that gives you the desired ball flight and then figure out what frequency to cut them too to hit them fairly straight. The terms "R" or "S"

Re: ShopTalk: rifle conversion tables/cpm issues

2009-07-23 Thread Allen Humphrey
Scott...I believe some of the AGCP members use the PCS flex designations and some use Dana Upshaw's 5i or 6i charts. I generally ream .355" to .370" with the customer's agreement. From what I've seen, using taper tips sometimes results in a slope of 6 cpm...and at his swing speeds, 'feel' is

Re: ShopTalk: rifle conversion tables/cpm issues

2009-07-23 Thread Allen Humphrey
back in the 90s, I believe Rifle 'R's were 5.5s. I played them and they were like a pipe because my 5i ss was in the 78mph range. Later, I beieve Rifle adjusted the 'R' to 4.5, I believe. PCS made up a chart [ maybe Dave Eagar created it ]that compared PCS's slope vs Rifle 4.3 slope. The maj

Re: ShopTalk: rifle conversion tables/cpm issues

2009-07-23 Thread Robert Devino
I have spoken in the past to Kim about why he designed the rifle with a 2 1/2 inch clamp. The rifles is meassured for stiffness from the butt. The butt is where you will hold the club so that's where he designed it from. A blank rifle shaft has a uniflex reinforced tip. It plays stiiffer bec

Re: ShopTalk: rifle conversion tables/cpm issues

2009-07-23 Thread Robert Devino
You know with that swing speed the kid would be better off with a set of Project X's instead of regular rifles. He is going to possibly get some ballooning with regular or flighted rifles. I do mean a real set of project X's not the junk Callaway is trying to pass off as Project X's nowadays.

RE: ShopTalk: rifle conversion tables/cpm issues

2009-07-23 Thread Tom Flanagan
This just occurred to me (us old farts have to wait for inspiration) Why not clamp the Rifle shaft at 2 1/2", record the freq, then clamp at 5" and compare the difference. As I recall, Rifles were clamped at 2 1/2" with a really heavy tip weight attached. Virtually all their shafts freq'd and p

Re: ShopTalk: rifle conversion tables/cpm issues

2009-07-23 Thread bersh
yes, these were tapers. I really hate using taper tips, but I didn't have a choice in this case. I've noticed the same thing that Robert pointed out in that when I measure 5.0 and 5.5 shafts, they seem to fall in ranges that I expect. But starting at about 6.0 and up, they seem to really jump

Re: ShopTalk: rifle conversion tables/cpm issues

2009-07-23 Thread Allen Humphrey
Scott...you using taper tips unless you reamed them outthe butt cpms might  or might not jump depending on what length shaft you were provided..  Al Humphrey Monroe, GA 30656 sloswingsp...@yahoo.com 770-207-5360(O) 770-312-6398(mobile) From: Robert Dev