Off topic statement to follow:
If you moved out of California, you'd discover that the dust doesn't cause any ill effects in the rest of the world - only the flat-earth envirowackos there which helped bankrupt your once-great state are convinced of these health issues. :)
Back to reality
Although I have no data to support it, that is the mantra from the 'high end'
(over $200) shaft manufacturers in that they claim that they're waaay more
consistent than the typical shaft. The Fuji and Matrix techs whom I've spoken
with agree that other companies make shafts that will spec out i
The TM R7 and R7 425's are very close to the labelled lofts - at least the
heads that I've seen in the tour van. All of those heads have an attached
sticker on the crown with actual measured lofts, lie angles, weights, face
angles and shipping dates; of which the actual measurements are always
I've used leaderboard for my 3 boys as well - quality is definately good enough
for them at a good price.
>
> From: "L. Hunter Kevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/05/02 Tue AM 08:47:00 EDT
> To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
> Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Junior Clubs
>
> Hi John,
>
> I've had very go
John,
I wanted to get your thoughts on the Matrix Ozik shafts, since you seem pretty
connected with MCC.
I've seen some testing/specs on these sticks (mainly the TP-7 and TP-7x), and
they are almost unbelievable - very playable composite shaft with a torque
reading of 0.0
Any info? Did you s
Jason,
You can be certain that the tour pros are using heavier heads - the R7 and 510TP heads
that I've had from the Taylor Made tour van have been as heavy as 220g (this was a
510TP head - the R7 heads are of course adjustable). Most are above 215g and 44.5" is
the longest shaft I've personall
Just to reinterate - conservation of momentum applies to an isolated system, where no
external force is appled to either object in the collision. If the USGA air cannon
fires a ball at a fixed driver's face, conservation of momentum applies. If you're
increasing the force applied to the clubhe
You're correct, if you assume that the force applied to the ball is not changing.
There are many tour pros whose smash factors don't fit the equations - pundits will
say their clubs fail COR, but the data for many pros is similar to David D.'s. The
equations don't work, and we know that they h
Folks,
If you really want to check out suckers, pay attention to the 2 putter auctions I just
listed on ebay - my user ID is kelleycats.
Pat K
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: 2004/08/18 Wed AM 11:17:02 EDT
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Suckers
>
> Bernie, I meant the YE
TM V.Steel is 350 tip.
>
> From: "Chris Stricker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2004/08/15 Sun PM 08:29:00 EDT
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Titleist V-Steel 3-Wood
>
> According to the TaylorMade website, the V-Steel is .350 tip. I haven't done one,
> but look relatively st
On the TeI3 Cameron - strictly cosmetic.
Pat K
>
> From: "Harry F. Schiestel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2004/02/09 Mon PM 01:19:52 EST
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: ShopTalk: Newport 2 TeI3 + JN Muirfield 6 Iron RH
>
> NEWPORT 2 TeI3
> No sure who the expert on Scotty Cameron putter
If you find a vendor, please post them on the list, if not already posted. I've had
zero luck getting the 95 from vendors as well.
Pat K
>
> From: "Keith E. Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2004/02/04 Wed PM 06:37:25 EST
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: ShopTalk: Aldila NV 95
>
> Aloha
On length, I'm in agreement with David in that most players should go shorter than
'standard'. You guys who use longer sticks because of physical ailment (I'm not
saying that you should not go longer to be in less pain) must compensate in stroke and
alignment because your eyes are so far behind
CM,
All of the USGA rules and decisions on the rules are NOT in one concise volume based
on my experiences, and both of these are needed to get the entire picture. But,
regarding hosel location, the USGA rulebook has the hosel rule spelled out pretty
well. Try www.usga.org for the online versi
Just FYI, Cameron measures his putters through the sweet spot rather than down the
back/hosel/heel as you would every other club. Although it will vary a bit with a
center shaft model vs. a heel shaft model, his measurement typically ends up ~1/2"
longer than the other method.
And, I'm with yo
FWIW,
RK's latest version with the floating (my description, not his - I can't recall his
terminology for the new clamp) clamp is the best I've used. I also have RK's previous
model without the new clamp, which has performed flawlessly for several years.
Pat K
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
meant to type 'shaft is bowed away from target just before impact' Maybe I'll learn
to proof my posts better in the next life.
>
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/10/03 Fri AM 11:20:29 EDT
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Re: ShopTalk: FUJIKURA PRO VISTA 60
>
> While this looks
While this looks good on paper, it doesn't hold up under the high speed camera. On
the 'textbook' swing, we know the shaft is bowed to the target just before impact. In
this same manner, it has also 'released' from a twisting standpoint, causing the toe
to lead the heel. A shaft with a higher
Along this line, the current trend with composites among the tour players is
definately toward more flexible (and somewhat lower bend point) shafts that are very
low torque. I want to say that Gary Adams was the first to explore this in a retail
club with the shafts in the original McHenry Meta
This trend is also very true on the PGA Tour (they play kinda fast greens, huh...)
where more players are going to heavier headed putters. It does buck the traditional
approach which was to go lighter as green speed increases. Personally, I switched to
a heavier putter in late 2001 (350g vs 's
Tom,
Although I'm sure he wouldn't remember me, I met Tom Stites once and found him to be
not only very knowledged in this business, but also a super nice guy who is eager to
talk shop and dissiminate (sp) what he's learned. You're correct in that he's in a
'no win' situation, even if/when he m
Tom,
I am somewhat in the same camp as the folks you've spoken with regarding the Tiger
situation. Although I doubt that he has any peers as far as playing ability goes, his
claims (like knowing how hot a driver is by listening to it as it's brushed on the
grass or switching to the old, thicker
Hopefully most here know that the 'face milling' stories about PGA players' drivers
are basically bogus That's not to say that any player may or may not have a
driver in play that exceeds the COR limit because of production tolerances or
something else, but grinding the face will only ruin
A little tidbit
All who follow the PGA Tour will know that Tiger was whining about drivers that exceed
the legal COR limit being used. I figured I'd tap into the folks I know to see what
specific drivers are at issue, and found that the TM prototype 510 deep face driver is
the suspected 'h
He's using a Titleist 975D.
>
> From: George Iacono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/07/30 Wed AM 10:50:47 EDT
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Hanging out at the Buick Open
>
> Did you get a chance to see Tiger? If so, what driver was he using this
> time out?
>
> George I.
>
John,
Not to speak for Dave, but the answer is obvious.
The futura was initially ruled illegal by the R&A (which is typically much more
generous with the rules than the USGA), but later the ruling was reversed and it's now
accepted as conforming. Even I, a moderator of the largest Cameron
I'm not understanding this discussion for some reason
I play in both state (GA) and national (USGA) amateur qualifiers/championships and
their position on conformance is VERY simle and straightforward:
If the club is NOT on the non-conforming list it is by default a conforming club
unless t
I left out a 'p' in 'simple'.
Sorry.
>
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/06/12 Thu AM 10:49:51 EDT
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Re: ShopTalk: Integra head
>
> I'm not understanding this discussion for some reason
>
> I play in both state (GA) and national (USGA) amate
Charlie,
The launch monitor won't give you any information worth saving if your evaluating
shafts with similar frequencies and flexpoints that have different torque specs.
After watching and listening to many tour players over the last 5 years as lower
torque shafts have found a way into their
Rich,
I've been playing a GD purple ice in my driver for ~6mo. I was using the 757 in every
driver I played before I put this GD in. The guys in the TM tour van insisted that I
play the Purple Ice in their driver, so I agreed with the stipulation that they
provide me a second, identical driver
The eye2 wedge v-sole was sooo far ahead if it's time Karsten was incredibly
gifted, and little things that he first did like this come up all the time in design
roundtables.
Pat K
>
> From: "Mark Linder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/03/04 Tue PM 05:11:38 EST
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTE
Greg,
Your a little backward in your analysis
What you would want is the shaft to be loaded in a plane where any effects of the
shaft itself (bend, spine, construction) do NOT cause the shaft to deviate from the
plane it's loaded in. Alan's demonstration shows that the shaft will unload in
If you're near Atlanta I'll extend an invite to chek out the grinding I've done for
both myself and several local PGA pros. I don't have to do the work for you, but I'd
happily offer insight on which grinds work for particular course conditions and swing
types. We've been experimenting with th
Just to add
Anyone who doesn't think the shaft is loaded in one plane then unloaded in a different
plane in the 'typical' swing needs to check out TT shaftlab data. Only Natural Golf
(AFAIK) attempts to use a single lever swing - everyone else uses a 2-lever swing
where the wrist hinge/unhi
Dave,
We're in the same camp on this issue - I've attempted to explain this here to some
extent, and much more on both the Spinetalk forum (which I've kinda refrained from
even reading lately) and in Dan's Neufinder forum. I'm very pleased that you engineer
types (thanks Alan, too)have been abl
Jonathan,
You're right - DG taper. The factory stiff flex is an S400 as opposed to the typical
S300 though.
Pat Kelley
>
> From: Jonathan LaChance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/02/26 Wed PM 02:32:38 EST
> To: "'Shoptalk (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: ShopTalk: Shafts in new Nikes?
Alan is right on here - a shaft wit ha predominant spine is one that was either
manufactured incorrectly or manufactured with shotty protocol. It makes for a shotty
golf club if you REALLY understand what the shaft does during the swing - especially
if your aligning the NBP in the plane that th
Jim,
They are taper tip, and I believe that they have a hickory dowel in the tip/hosel.
Not sure of the head weights, but if you ream for parallel, you have to do a bit of
weight adjustment since they're set up for constant weight shafts.
Good Luck,
Pat Kelley
>
> From: "Jim McFerran" <[EMAIL
Interesting, yes, but total BS too. The only time Phil flew it past Tiger was right
before he woke up this morning. The more quotes from PM that find their way to the
public, the more his true a-hole personality becomes evident as well as his growing
personal defense to justify why he's never
John,
The oilcan finish will be the most difficult to duplicate exactly - I've worked on it
for quite some time using combinations of different amounts of black and brown oxide
reagents. Even Cameron's oilcan finish is inconsistent from putter to putter (aside
from the oil-like sheen which is s
My general cleanup protocol depends on the desired final appearance of the finish - I
get more requests for a 'tour black' finish than anything else. The tour black
requires the surface to be bead blasted prior to finishing.
So, for those I use a scotchbrite pad and/or belt sander for heavy r
John,
I refinish about 4 Camerons each week - mainly gun blue, but I do occasional oilcans.
The oilcan finish is somewhat based on an antique brown finish that several bluing
companies sell. Cameron adds a lot of heat to the process to produce the oil-on-water
look.
Good Luck,
Pat Kelley
>
Ed,
Having been involved in racing (WERA and AMA 750), I've seen the protest/inspection as
well. But, based on the realities of the current method for COR testing and the
inability to disassemble then reassemble a clubhead, field testing is basically
impossible.
As Tom W. has related, it's d
Last I checked, the 3M wheel built for use in my grinder that I use to finish soles on
bore thru heads and other light grinding/polishing tasks says 'Scotchbrite' on it. It
is supposedly build much different than the $5 one for your hand drill at K-Mart (at
least I hope it is - I'd hate to be s
Dave,
A point on the long drive competitors - these guys ARE in the game for distance only,
and their equipment MUST be designed for that alone. It's not uncommon for a long
drive competitor to break/collapse 3 or 4 drivers in one event - durability is not an
issue there. Tour players are MUC
The USGA has already weighed in on the issue of face milling on an approved driver,
and their position is one that I personally agreed with.
They stated that they're aware that a conforming drive can be modified by
grinding/milling/etc. and that this could possibly increase the COR to a
non-c
Dave,
I agree with your points, but need to add a couple of points to your case.
In Vijay's specific situation (and as an aside for basically every tour golfer -not
sure if this applies to tennis or other sports), the driver he uses is one that's not
available to any 'common' player via thei
My conversations with the tour club techs I know support Arnie's findings - the
majority are using a 3M Scotchbrite wheel (same as they use to finish bore thru soles)
to 'mill' the face. Some more elaborate techniques were discussed, but these were all
done at OEM test facilities, not in the to
Arnie,
Please keep me/us posted on the putter loft/lie nest. I've been toying with buying
one of the commercially available models, but I'm not quite ready to pony up the .
Thanks,
Pat Kelley
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: 2003/01/27 Mon PM 02:56:13 EST
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subje
Easiest: dump lead powder down the shaft, add cork plug and regrip If you add more
than ~15g lead, you may see a change in the roll due to raised CG.
Better: Drill out holes in the putter sole with ~3/8" bit and fill the holes with
molten lead. Trial and error until the weight feels right. S
This 'aid' was first used by Scotty Cameron for his players. The idea behind the CD
is to place the ball in the hole of the CD with the shiny side up, and use the CD to
verify that the player's eyes are slightly INSIDE the target line. Cameron's data
indicates that eyes slightly inside the lin
The answer is easy - ALL of them have some mouse (or rat) glue in them. Every head
that's welded (and all of them are) needs some glue in it to catch potential broken
off bits welding slag that WILL be in every welded head. If anyone is buying heads
without glue in them, they're only guarantee
Here's my take on wedges - this is somewhat supported by the tour pros that I've
worked with.
If you intend to use any wedge for a significant number of full swing shots, the
swingweight should be roughly the same as the rest of the clubs you use for full
swings. By significant, I mean that yo
RK,
Do you have more info or links?? I'm interested in this, as it would be much
easier/safer to spray, especially if I can use the equipment I already have
Thanks,
Pat K
>
> From: "Richard Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2002/10/18 Fri AM 10:58:55 EDT
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subje
As a follow up, I jumped in and bought some base coat/clear coat urethane paint and
tried the DIY refinish using standard automotive-type spray equipment that I already
own. I do not have any spray booth/ventilation equipment, so this was an outdoor
venture, and is definately NOT something I in
Why is the difference relevant? The shafts were me matched based on the frequency
measured along the same plane (stiff or soft), and since the spine is identified, the
shafts will also be aligned in the clubhead in the same manner. We could argue the
benefits of which orientation is best for
I don't think he's still getting used to the driver - last I saw he's #2 in overall
driving, which is MILEs higher than he's ever been. And, he shot 65 today with the
irons in his bag
>From what I heard, the irons have the same lofts as his old Titleist 681s, which is
>at least 3 deg. wea
I personally have also found this to be true regarding the long irons (2-5) with rifle
shafts. The tour flighted and new project x rifles are not as bad as the original
rifles, but even they play a bit stiffer (and more often produce lower trajectory)
than the expected dynamic gold equivalent
Putter fitting. interesting. I'll give my $.02 as it relates to std. length
putters - broomsticks and belly putters are a whole different deal.
A face balanced putter is usually the best option for a player who follows the Dave
Pelz' school of putting - eyes are directly over the tar
The 'pin' is TMs tip weight - they do not use weights with a hole in them. They seem
to have a high occurrance of breakage which has resulted from insufficient shaft
insertion, probably directly a result of using a weight without a hole in it to allow
air out of the hosel. To remove the pin a
.335
Pat K
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: 2002/08/20 Tue AM 09:03:35 EDT
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: ShopTalk: Nike tip diameter
>
> Sorry if this has been covered before...
> is the new Nike driver a .335 or .350?
> John
>
Call Old Sport Golf 770-493-4344
He's very likely to have a 9 iron that will match.
Pat Kelley
>
> From: "Bill Douglas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2002/08/02 Fri AM 11:53:19 EDT
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: ShopTalk: Lost golf club
>
> Trying to locate a Mizuno MP-14 model
John,
I've used this method for about 3 years now with great success on bore thru Titanium
heads. I use a variac to regulate the temp of the fryer since the fry daddy that I
use has no temp control and will heat up to about 375 deg. which could burn the
finish. With the variac I keep the temp
Dave Pelz is on the Callaway Staff, so it's certain that they've resolved any patent
issues long before they started selling this putter.
Pat Kelley
>
> From: "bob boone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2002/07/15 Mon AM 09:51:26 EDT
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Two Ball Pu
Try Chip Usher in Savannah.
www.chipandputt.com
Pat Kelley
>
> From: "Steve Wolfington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2002/06/25 Tue AM 08:57:22 EDT
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: ShopTalk: Shoptalk:clubfitter on Hilton Head
>
> I need a clubfitter on Hilton Head Island. Anybody know who m
True temper release is made in taper tip - leaderboard golf is the vendor of chioce it
seems.
Rifles in 4.5 or 5.0 might also work.
Pat Kelley
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: 2002/06/11 Tue AM 12:51:04 EDT
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: ShopTalk: L flex taper tip iron shafts
>
> Hi Al
www.leaderboardgolf.com
Saw them on their website
Pat Kelley
>
> From: Jonathan LaChance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2002/06/10 Mon PM 03:06:32 EDT
> To: "SpinetalkersForum (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "'Shoptalk (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: ShopTalk: TT-Release wit
Bill,
True Temper makes a .350 tip dynamic gold wood shaft. Golfworks and Golf Supply
America are my usual sources for these. I've reshafted several Callaways and TM 300
series woods with this shaft.
Pat Kelley
>
> From: "Bill Douglas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2002/06/10 Mon AM 01:04:23 E
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