Since we're talking about misleading I am also concerned their course for
backend development is advertised as backend development, not a RoR course as
it actually is. I'm guessing they don't have skills in house to teach django or
node.js or any of the many other equally good technology
just 2 cents more :) IMO the whole back-end front-end thing is flawed
fragmenting thinking anyway.
Developers need to learn the stack that they are using. Otherwise they will
never have a clear view of what is being built... back end / front
end malarkey also promotes blame shifting when
IMHO, it's specialist thinking... like with doctors, you
have paediatricians orthopaedic surgeons, eye surgeons, etc... being a GP
does not give you the knowledge to be good at everything, but being a GP is
pretty much a pre-requisite for being a specialist. Similarly, developers
(or business
Dylan, we would love to have you come and teach a class on djanjo or
node.js if you are keen? We did classes on these topics a little while
back, but it would be great to run them again.
We choose RoR for the back-end web development course as we feel 1
framework is probably enough for a 10
This thread is a revelation. I had no idea that web programming was so
hard.
I humbly suggest that, in future, the interloping suit-wearing business
types set their sights on more tractable tasks in their 10 week courses:
Teach yourself OpenCV in 24 hours or Denotational Semantics for
Hi Kurt
Nobody is ragging on non-techs, a successful company is always a team
effort.
Reading between the lines what people are saying is that the marketing is
misleading and it's giving a false hope to vulnerable people (people
putting their hearts and souls into an idea). If the marketing said
If GA can teach business types enough to get a crappy, crashy MVP up that
still solves a business problem, I'd call that a win for everyone. Devs
don't have to spend time building an idea that won't work, and business
types don't have to pay for code that immediately gets thrown away.
mark
On
Mark, that is a very good point... If version 1 type throw away MVP stuff
was the focus that would be a win win.
On 7 June 2013 07:33, Mark Wotton mwot...@gmail.com wrote:
If GA can teach business types enough to get a crappy, crashy MVP up that
still solves a business problem, I'd call that
Agreed... once or twice is fine... you can pitch when you introduce yourself
to the list. And maybe once a year or so after if you do something cool, like
launch... I don't think we need hard rules. It's simple: This list is for
meaningful discussion/sharing only, not blatent promotion... you know
Also this might be of interest: https://www.coursera.org/course/startup
Samuel Marks
http://linkedin.com/in/samuelmarks
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Bart Jellema bjellem...@gmail.com wrote:
Agreed... once or twice is fine... you can pitch when you introduce
yourself to the list. And
I'm a huge believer in people learning a new skill (for just the purity of
it, or for the application of it), and no doubt GA run fantastic courses -
but i'd be skeptical of implying that learning the skill in a few weeks
will give you enough knowledge to build your system (unless the system you
Yes, I also feel these GA emails are misleading. Nothing beats a good
computer science degree except the self taught technical geniuses who don't
need courses anyway.
The whole GA thing seems just too greedy to me, don't see how they're
adding much value at all.
On Wednesday, 5 June 2013,
As a developer I would have to agree. The idea that you could learn enough
in weeks to build something other than a trivial web site is rubbish. Most
good developers have at least 5 years and more commonly 10+ years under
their belt before they could build something that will stand up under
What an unreasonable thing to say Patrick ;)
Love your one liner explaining it though, to me it really captures the
essence - and the benefit goes both ways, not only with the skills can
business people keep the techies in check, the techies also are more
appreciative of business people who can
Hi all, The way we talk about our courses in this instance is not meant to
offend any developers or technical founders. And its definitely not our
intention to simplify your skills set as developers. Please don't take it
that way :)
It takes years and years of hard work to become a great web
If you are having trouble trying to find a tech co-founder, have you
considered learning to code yourself?
Check out
thishttp://www.startupsmart.com.au/planning/business-planning/stop-looking-for-a-tech-co-founder-and-learn-how-to-do-it-yourself/201306049893.htmlarticle
that Startup Smart
Is everyone ok with GA spamming this list with their courses?
Once or twice, sure. But more than that is why I'm raising this.
My view is that this list should be about promoting Australian associated
businesses (hey, we launched!) or discussion about the industry.
Given the competition
I confess I blocked all posts from GA a while back because they also hit
the ruby and RoR mailing lists too, so I only saw this when you commented.
Personally I think it's overkill and I'd rather it wasn't on this list, but
I'm also entirely comfortable with blocking it myself.
Tom Allen
Hi Elias,
Riley from GA here, thanks for the note. You are right, we have probably
posted a few too many times here. Apologies to anyone on the list that we
have annoyed...come and take a free class on us if you like. just email me
riley @ ga dot co
We regularly do a stack of free classes,
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