On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 11:25 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
> Yah, that's probably right. Optimism hopes that somewhere, the
> education system doesn't suck, but realism says that's not likely...
finland, so they say...
well, it produced linux, instant messaging (irc), nokia AND varttina!
-r
Rishab Aiyer Ghosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 22:29 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
>> The best students are also often
>> foreigners, who were not subjected to and destroyed by the abysmal public
>> primary/secondary education system.
>
> selection bias. these foreigners a
On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 22:29 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
> The best students are also often
> foreigners, who were not subjected to and destroyed by the abysmal public
> primary/secondary education system.
selection bias. these foreigners are the top few of their own countries
who managed to sur
Udhay Shankar N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Perry E. Metzger wrote, [on 9/30/2008 1:05 AM]:
>
>> I don't doubt it, but don't think things are paradise here,
>> educationally speaking. We're not a model to emulate.
>
> I suspect many of those who praise the USAnian education system have the
> uni
Perry E. Metzger wrote, [on 9/30/2008 1:05 AM]:
> I don't doubt it, but don't think things are paradise here,
> educationally speaking. We're not a model to emulate.
I suspect many of those who praise the USAnian education system have the
universities (undergrad and up) in mind. I am one of them.
On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 12:06 +0530, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote:
> with this approach when you consider that even with a very fine
> education system, most Americans are interested in searching the
> internet for hot pictures of Sarah Palin, and not her political
> beliefs.
the US has the world's best
On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 11:27 +0530, . wrote:
> As if inspirational movies were not enough we just had to show the
> American (privatisation) and the German (socialist/public) model that
> we can do a better job of messing up.
um... most (>80%) americans attend public school [1]. it's 77% public
(bu
. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> You do realize that many, if not most, Americans would say that our
>> education system is utterly bankrupt, fails to educate, consists of
>> years of monotony, valueless lessons, etc.
>
> You will hear them sing paeans, if they ever attend a school+Univ** in India
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:32 PM, Perry E. Metzger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Srini Ramakrishnan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Our education system is bankrupt. It's a dozen years of monotony and
>> rote memorization, followed by a few years of unbridled freedom or
>> still more rote memoriz
"Perry E. Metzger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Srini Ramakrishnan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Our education system is bankrupt. It's a dozen years of monotony and
>> rote memorization, followed by a few years of unbridled freedom or
>> still more rote memorization. It does little to educate
"Srini Ramakrishnan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Our education system is bankrupt. It's a dozen years of monotony and
> rote memorization, followed by a few years of unbridled freedom or
> still more rote memorization. It does little to educate you, however
> it does qualify you to pursue career
On Monday 29 September 2008, Ingrid wrote:
[snip]
> > in fact, the 93rd Amendment to the Constitution (2002?) made the right
> > to free and compulsory education absolute.
Um, you're perfectly right. Looks like my "Directive Principle" information
is six years out of date.
-Taj.
On Sunday 28 September 2008, . wrote:
[snip]
> you missed the weasel keywords "shall endeavour".
The weasling is a lot more up front than these couple of words tucked
away - this right to education is not one of the Fundamental Rights and
Duties, but one of the Directive Principles, which are al
Udhay Shankar N [29/09/08 12:52 +0530]:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, [on 9/29/2008 12:43 PM]:
Yup, no course around that teaches what i do, and i need abel's lemma,
thevenins theorem etc like i need a hole in my head.
A quote from Lizard comes to mind:
It is not math as much as advanced calcu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, [on 9/29/2008 12:43 PM]:
Yup, no course around that teaches what i do, and i need abel's lemma, thevenins theorem etc like i need a hole in my head.
A quote from Lizard comes to mind:
Math is one of those things which has always fascinated me. Much like
art, it's so
Yup, no course around that teaches what i do, and i need abel's lemma,
thevenins theorem etc like i need a hole in my head. Three wasted years of
college.
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Subject: Re: [silk] Kids' poverty charity in Mumbai?
Fr
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:27 AM, . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> As if inspirational movies were not enough we just had to show the
> American (privatisation) and the German (socialist/public) model that
> we can do a better job of messing up.
Our education system is bankrupt. It's a dozen y
2008/9/28 . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> you missed the weasel keywords "shall endeavour".
> in fact, the 93rd Amendment to the Constitution (2002?) made the right to
> free and compulsory education absolute. And the Finance Ministry's been
> collecting a 2% cess on Income Tax ostensibly to fund un
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Srini Ramakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Airlines plying from India to the developed world would see increased
> business. We would become like Pakistan, much of the middle east and
> Africa, where most reasonably affluent parents move heaven and earth
> to
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 8:14 AM, . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> OTOH, what if every politicians child had to study in the public
> school (since no private schools would exist with for-profit motives)
> and they also had no 5-star private hospitals to check themselves
> into. Do you think we
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Rishab Aiyer Ghosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> you mean banning private education, then? that's the only way it'd work.
ouch, ban is a harsh word to use to describe a business man who
charges Rs.10,000/year as Bus fees when the child stays a stone's
throw away f
On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 08:31 +0530, . wrote:
> constitutionally ingrained weasel keywords allows any govt. to
> continue the pipe dream for the next 500 years. If the education
> quality in state/govt schools sucks big-time, bringing every school
> under that sucky umbrella will force each parent to
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Martin Senftleben
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> As a German living in Germany and having 4 kids, I would like to
> correct the statement:
> in Germany, sending kids to school is basically free, but still costs
> quite a bit. We spend several 100s of Euro each year
On Sunday 28 Sep 2008 12:17:39 am Ingrid wrote:
> The discussions made us acutely aware of the
> limitations of education of privilege. Most Shriram children did not even
> know who dalits were. Many had not heard of the practice of untouchability.
> A few claimed that caste was a system 'that pre
Am Sonntag 28 September 2008 schrieb Rishab Aiyer Ghosh:
> On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 02:15 +0530, . wrote:
> > Maybe the government should make it mandatory and ensure
> > education for all by going the German way - Free state education
> > for every kid, irrespective of gender, right up to the PHD lev
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Rishab Aiyer Ghosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ROTFL. here's article 45 of india's constitution: "Provision for free
> and compulsory education for children: The State shall endeavour to
> provide, within a period of ten years from the commencement of this
> Consti
On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 02:15 +0530, . wrote:
> Maybe the government should make it mandatory and ensure
> education for all by going the German way - Free state education for
> every kid, irrespective of gender, right up to the PHD level.
ROTFL. here's article 45 of india's constitution: "Provision
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Ingrid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
[snip]
> We asked if disadvantaged children could even dream
> of accessing the kind of education that they take for granted. Should not
> children who are poor or discriminated find admission to their school, to
> study shoulder
2008/9/27 Rishab Aiyer Ghosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> thanks, ingrid. was this published somewhere? google can't find it.
it's from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> --
> 'Optimists refuse to acknowledge reality. Idealists remind us that it isn't
> fixed.' -Susan Neiman
>
thanks, ingrid. was this published somewhere? google can't find it.
On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 20:47 +0200, Ingrid wrote:
> P.S. Coincidentally, I received this today:
> Chasms between Children
> Harsh Mander
2008/9/27 Ingrid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Thank you for your persistence.
>
> On begging and the stratagems adopted to maximise income:
> All the more reason, IMO, to support the kind of work that addresses
> poverty, displacement, access to education and sustainable livelihoods
> at its roots in rur
Thank you for your persistence.
On begging and the stratagems adopted to maximise income:
All the more reason, IMO, to support the kind of work that addresses
poverty, displacement, access to education and sustainable livelihoods
at its roots in rural and slum communities.
Too much philanthropy, a
I did indeed! Donating now -- many thanks!
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> Cory Doctorow [27/09/08 08:07 +0530]:
>> No way to donate on that page, though.
>
> You missed the link to http://www.justgiving.com/cryuk I guess?
>
> srs
>
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Biju Chacko wrote, [on 9/27/2008 11:00 AM]:
>> www.cry.org
>>
>> http://www.sunbeamtrust.org
>>
>> in the interests of full disclosure, i worked at the first for almost a
>> decade.
>
> Not there anymore?
http://www.civicus.org/new/content/CIVICUSnewSecretaryGeneral.1.htm
--
((Udhay Shankar N
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Ingrid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> here are two that get my unequivocal support:
>
> www.cry.org
>
> http://www.sunbeamtrust.org
>
> in the interests of full disclosure, i worked at the first for almost a
> decade.
Not there anymore?
-- b
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 9:05 AM, ss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Friday 26 Sep 2008 10:52:40 pm Cory Doctorow wrote:
>> Anyone got a favourite secular kids' poverty charity in Mumbai? I feel
>> like my randomly arrived-at donations to beggar kids (plus the weird
>> baby-food scam in Colaba) have
Cory Doctorow [27/09/08 08:07 +0530]:
No way to donate on that page, though.
You missed the link to http://www.justgiving.com/cryuk I guess?
srs
On Friday 26 Sep 2008 10:52:40 pm Cory Doctorow wrote:
> Anyone got a favourite secular kids' poverty charity in Mumbai? I feel
> like my randomly arrived-at donations to beggar kids (plus the weird
> baby-food scam in Colaba) have been an infinitesimal drop in the ocean
> and I'd like to contribut
No way to donate on that page, though.
Ingrid wrote:
> It is.
>
> On 9/26/08, Suresh Ramasubramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Cory Doctorow [26/09/08 23:42 +0530]:
>>> My card is billed in the UK, not the USA.
>> Just guessed and tried http://www.uk.cry.org/
>> Seems to be the same outfit -
It is.
On 9/26/08, Suresh Ramasubramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Cory Doctorow [26/09/08 23:42 +0530]:
>>My card is billed in the UK, not the USA.
>
> Just guessed and tried http://www.uk.cry.org/
> Seems to be the same outfit - but Ingrid can confirm
>
>
--
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'Op
Cory Doctorow [26/09/08 23:42 +0530]:
My card is billed in the UK, not the USA.
Just guessed and tried http://www.uk.cry.org/
Seems to be the same outfit - but Ingrid can confirm
My card is billed in the UK, not the USA.
Ingrid wrote:
> Nope. But www.america.cry.org should work.
>
> On 9/26/08, Cory Doctorow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Still not working for me -- I change the pulldown to "foreign national"
>> and the country field still says fixed at India. Can I call s
Nope. But www.america.cry.org should work.
On 9/26/08, Cory Doctorow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Still not working for me -- I change the pulldown to "foreign national"
> and the country field still says fixed at India. Can I call someone and
> give a CC#?
>
> Ingrid wrote:
>> 2008/9/26 Cory Doct
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Ingrid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/9/26 Cory Doctorow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > It seems like only people with Indian-billed credit-cards can donate to
> > CRY?
> >
>
> nope. at least 60% of online transactions on www.cry.org are from overseas
> donors.
> ju
Still not working for me -- I change the pulldown to "foreign national"
and the country field still says fixed at India. Can I call someone and
give a CC#?
Ingrid wrote:
> 2008/9/26 Cory Doctorow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> It seems like only people with Indian-billed credit-cards can donate to
>> C
2008/9/26 Cory Doctorow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> It seems like only people with Indian-billed credit-cards can donate to
> CRY?
>
nope. at least 60% of online transactions on www.cry.org are from overseas
donors.
just choose 'foreign national' at the bottom of the form at:
http://www.cry.org/mainapp
It seems like only people with Indian-billed credit-cards can donate to CRY?
Ingrid wrote:
> 2008/9/26 Cory Doctorow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> Anyone got a favourite secular kids' poverty charity in Mumbai? I feel
>> like my randomly arrived-at donations to beggar kids (plus the weird
>> baby-food
Done. Thanks!
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> Cory Doctorow [26/09/08 22:52 +0530]:
>> Anyone got a favourite secular kids' poverty charity in Mumbai? I feel
>> like my randomly arrived-at donations to beggar kids (plus the weird
>> baby-food scam in Colaba) have been an infinitesimal drop in the
2008/9/26 Cory Doctorow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Anyone got a favourite secular kids' poverty charity in Mumbai? I feel
> like my randomly arrived-at donations to beggar kids (plus the weird
> baby-food scam in Colaba) have been an infinitesimal drop in the ocean
> and I'd like to contribute to subst
Cory Doctorow [26/09/08 22:52 +0530]:
Anyone got a favourite secular kids' poverty charity in Mumbai? I feel
like my randomly arrived-at donations to beggar kids (plus the weird
baby-food scam in Colaba) have been an infinitesimal drop in the ocean
and I'd like to contribute to substantial and la
Anyone got a favourite secular kids' poverty charity in Mumbai? I feel
like my randomly arrived-at donations to beggar kids (plus the weird
baby-food scam in Colaba) have been an infinitesimal drop in the ocean
and I'd like to contribute to substantial and lasting change.
Cory
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