Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-30 Thread manikuttyanand
I just don't understand this hate. I had said before, and I would like to say it again : "The bigger picture is that India is doing a lot better than Pakistan. It is on course to continue to do even better. And this is because whereas India has painstakingly built up a reasonably efficient market e

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-22 Thread ss
On Friday 22 Jul 2011 10:28:42 am M.K.Pai wrote: > The Pakistani "establishment" has been unanimous that it was a rogue > operation. Of course, if you can point me to contrary evidence, I > shall stand corrected. > There is no "evidence" either way available to me. It's what one wants to believ

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-21 Thread M.K.Pai
Hello, I agree that its misguided to conflate India's domestic problems, however grave, with India's foreign policy alternatives. On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 7:01 PM, ss wrote: > On Wednesday 20 Jul 2011 5:47:18 pm M.K.Pai wrote: >> The point I was trying to make was that it does not matter what the

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-21 Thread ss
On Wednesday 20 Jul 2011 5:47:18 pm M.K.Pai wrote: > The point I was trying to make was that it does not matter what the > Pakistanis say. What they do, matters. What we do, matters. > While I have no disagreement with your statements, I think that in the post 9-11 situation. the Pakistan army h

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-20 Thread ss
On Wednesday 20 Jul 2011 9:22:50 am Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > should I prescribe you stronger > eyeglasses so you can go back and read what I wrote correctly? > Did I manage to get you angry enough to start trying to detect physical defects in me? If I did it means I had exactly the effec

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-20 Thread ss
On Wednesday 20 Jul 2011 6:43:50 pm Bharath Chari wrote: > However, I can't understand the reasoning that hate politics within a > country is less abhorrent or different to cross border ones. If that > wasn't your submission, then I stand corrected. > Bharat it is your prerogative to hold the v

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-20 Thread Bharath Chari
On 07/20/2011 09:22 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: The brown chaddi types hate muslims in general The pakistanis hate indians in particular what is the difference at all? and should I prescribe you stronger eyeglasses so you can go back and read what I wrote correctly? On Wednesday 20 July

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-20 Thread M.K.Pai
Hello, The point I was trying to make was that it does not matter what the Pakistanis say. What they do, matters. What we do, matters. Would we like the Pakistani army to take a few casualties ? Sure. When we did not move troops to our western border after 26/11, we allowed the US to pressurize t

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-19 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
The brown chaddi types hate muslims in general The pakistanis hate indians in particular what is the difference at all? and should I prescribe you stronger eyeglasses so you can go back and read what I wrote correctly? On Wednesday 20 July 2011 09:20 AM, ss wrote: > On Wednesday 20 Jul 2011 5:20

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-19 Thread ss
On Wednesday 20 Jul 2011 5:20:49 am Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Let us just assume I don't choose to carry my argument on further Your choice is sacrosanct, as is mine. Let me get this right. You think that the bjp/rss follow "hate Pakistan" politics and not "hate Muslims". For that reason y

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-19 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
As is your line of circular reasoning Let us just assume I don't choose to carry my argument on further --Original Message-- From: ss Sender: silklist-bounces+suresh=hserus@lists.hserus.net To: silklist@lists.hserus.net ReplyTo: silklist@lists.hserus.net Subject: Re: [silk] W

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-19 Thread ss
On Tuesday 19 Jul 2011 8:11:46 am Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > The sangh parivar is making the same sort of circular reasoning you make > when you say "muslims do x" vs "pakistanis do x". > > The difference is about circular arguments on silklist versus burning > houses and killing people. >

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-18 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
The sangh parivar is making the same sort of circular reasoning you make when you say "muslims do x" vs "pakistanis do x". The difference is about circular arguments on silklist versus burning houses and killing people. ss [19/07/11 07:33 +0530]: On Tuesday 19 Jul 2011 7:22:47 am Suresh Ramasub

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-18 Thread ss
On Tuesday 19 Jul 2011 7:22:47 am Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Well, lets put it this way, you're heading straight for more than one > logical fallacy when you confuse "muslims" and "pakistanis" LOL. There is no easy escape here sir. Are you saying that the BJP/RSS do not hate Muslims?. Is tha

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-18 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
ss [19/07/11 06:50 +0530]: 1. If Pakistani politicians hate India, is there anything wrong in Indian polticians hating Muslims? Are they not valid political viewpoints that must be put to vote? Pakistanis have reasons to hate India and Indians have reasons to hate Muslims. Well, lets put it th

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-18 Thread ss
On Tuesday 19 Jul 2011 6:17:12 am Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Bharat's point is that the bjp rss crowd are indistinguishable from the > pakistanis in their tactics of hate politics > > I agree > Please correct me if you believe I am "putting words in your mouth" - that is words that you d

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-18 Thread ss
On the topic of what Pakistanis need to do to get elected, here is a Pakistani take on Aatish Taseers article that rubbishes the idea that Pakistani politicians need to hate India to get elected. The "hate India" is a charcteristic, he says, of the military establishment and the faux liberals of

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-18 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
bject: Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India Sent: Jul 19, 2011 06:13 On Tuesday 19 Jul 2011 1:07:44 am Bharath Chari wrote: > > Why would a politican in Pakistan have to say unpleasant things about > > India to get elected? Does that translate to the inability to get elected &

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-18 Thread ss
On Tuesday 19 Jul 2011 1:07:44 am Bharath Chari wrote: > > Why would a politican in Pakistan have to say unpleasant things about > > India to get elected? Does that translate to the inability to get elected > > if a Pakistani politician were to say good things about India? > > > > > > shiv > > To

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-18 Thread Bharath Chari
On 07/18/2011 07:51 PM, ss wrote: On Monday 18 Jul 2011 2:37:20 pm M.K.Pai wrote: Salman Taseer, probably said what he did for public consumption. Its difficult for a Pakistani politician to get elected unless he says unpleasant things about India. My My! That is odd isn't it? Why would a po

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-18 Thread ss
On Monday 18 Jul 2011 2:37:20 pm M.K.Pai wrote: > Salman Taseer, probably said what he did for public consumption. Its > difficult for a Pakistani politician to get elected unless he says > unpleasant things about India. > My My! That is odd isn't it? Why would a politican in Pakistan have to sa

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-18 Thread M.K.Pai
Hello, This theme has been regurgitated in far too many fora, on the Net and off it. IMHO, it is not worthy of the intellectual horsepower of silk-listers. Salman Taseer, probably said what he did for public consumption. Its difficult for a Pakistani politician to get elected unless he says unpl

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-16 Thread ss
More from the same author http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2009/04/aatish-salmaan-taseer-punjab- pakistan/ >“In Pakistan, the clothes people wear are much better. There’s far less > poverty. India makes its own things, its own cars, but then you don’t get > Land Cruisers. In India, you get Indian

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-15 Thread gabin kattukaran
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Thaths wrote: > Why My Father Hated India > Aatish Taseer, the son of an assassinated Pakistani leader, explains > the history and hysteria behind a deadly relationship > By AATISH TASEER On almost similar lines - http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2011/

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-15 Thread ss
On Saturday 16 Jul 2011 5:48:05 am Thaths wrote: > Pakistan had better roads, better cars; Pakistani businesses were > thriving; its citizens could take foreign currency abroad. Compared > with starving, socialist India, they were on much surer ground. So > what if India had democracy? It had broug

[silk] Why My Father Hated India

2011-07-15 Thread Thaths
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304911104576445862242908294.html#printMode Why My Father Hated India Aatish Taseer, the son of an assassinated Pakistani leader, explains the history and hysteria behind a deadly relationship By AATISH TASEER Ten days before he was assassinated in Jan