From: "Charles Sutton"
> Damn! I deleted all the need engineering help emails
Rowena: And I had mine deleted for me. I had not backed up my computer.
Major computer disaster. Today, none of my extensive files, documents or
emails exist! Well, off to the archives, I guess.
By the way, a l
Damn! I deleted all the need engineering help emails
- Original Message -
From: "Rowena Evans"
To:
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Need Engineering Help Spider and snakebite headings
> People, dear people - please don't forget your s
body is
not really meaningful without the current density at the heart.
Except, of course, if you never have a large amount of current
you never have to worry about getting a high enough current density
to affect the heart.
Dan
Re: CS>Need engineering help
* From: Al Davis (view other mes
People, dear people - please don't forget your subject headings - the
most interesting snake bite/ spiderbite / antivenene electro treatment
correspondence is taking place under "Need engineering help" - can you
think on at least to add to if not change the subject line completely
so we can refer m
Marshall Dudley wrote:
> > There needs to be a time element associated with this as well. That
> > is, even a microamp at a millivolt, would produce this much energy
> > over a long enough time. My guess is that is it for 60 hertz, which
> > would be about 8 milliseconds. But even so that number
Hi, Marshall!
Thank you very much for your
thought-provoking example.
Stungun manufacturers and
vendors are using a unit of
"pulse-watts" to describe the
output of the devices. I haven't
seen a concise definition of a
pulse-watt. Do you happen to
know what this unit means?
Best regards,
Matthew
Matthew McCann PE wrote:
> Rice University's electrical engineeringlaboratory has a good on-line
> report onamounts of hazardous electricity.(see website for lab course
> ELEC 241.)According to this, the threshold forventricular fibrillation
> is given inwatt-seconds, i.e. energy, not current.The
all Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 1:13 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Need Engineering Help
That is exciting news. I am completely at a loss to understand what is
happening or how it could help at this late date, but if it works, great!
Marshall
Wayne
Check into the art of "cupping"
Basically, it's the formation of a vaccuum by reducing the volume of hot
air in a cup or bottle when it cools.
One way is to place a piece of toilet paper soaked in alchohol in a tall
shot glass, light it and snuff it out against the skin.
Another way is to heat
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Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:32 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Need Engineering Help
Morning Marshall,
>It is my understanding that the electricity somehow neutralizes the
>poison
>in the
>bite. I doubt there is any poison left after two wee
the violet ray does not use filters [not to be confused with uv light,
which
would be interesting to try also]
someone has posted a link to baar products who has the violet ray.
I have two old timers purchased at 1-a yard sale, 2-at an antique
dealer's in Vermont, 5 and 45 bucks respective
Rice University's electrical engineering
laboratory has a good on-line report on
amounts of hazardous electricity.
(see website for lab course ELEC 241.)
According to this, the threshold for
ventricular fibrillation is given in
watt-seconds, i.e. energy, not current.
The threshold is 13.5 watt-seco
http://www.baar.com/vray.htm
Wayne Fugitt wrote:
sure wish someone would try a Violet Ray on one of these wounds.
Yes, me too.
I have a set of colored filters.
Would you suggest the color and the light source.
Wayne
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sure wish someone would try a Violet Ray on one of these wounds.
Yes, me too.
I have a set of colored filters.
Would you suggest the color and the light source.
Wayne
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sure wish someone would try a Violet Ray on one of these wounds.
davido
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:12:02 -0500 Marshall Dudley
writes:
> Wayne Fugitt wrote:
>
> > Very soon I will be applying high voltage to the spider bite,
> something I
> > should have done two weeks ago.
>
> It is my understa
That is exciting news. I am completely at a loss to understand what is
happening or how it could help at this late date, but if it works, great!
Marshall
Wayne Fugitt wrote:
> Morning Marshall,
>
> >It is my understanding that the electricity somehow neutralizes the poison
> >in the
> >bite. I d
Morning Marshall,
It is my understanding that the electricity somehow neutralizes the poison
in the
bite. I doubt there is any poison left after two weeks, so don't be
surprised if
it does not help at this time.
This has been my feelings also. However, Dr. Osborn reports doing this
as mu
Morning Dan,
At 09:51 AM 12/19/03 -0600, you wrote:
Why don't you just zapp directly across the bite, ie from one edge to
the other?
The pioneer doctor, Dr. Carl D. Osborn, who has successfully treated
hundreds for spider bite victims,
said to do it this way.
Working across the bite is sugg
Why don't you just zapp directly across the bite, ie from one edge to
the other?
Why pass current thru parts of the body that don't need it?
Needless complications can arise...
CS>Need Engineering Help
From: Wayne Fugitt (view other messages by this author)
Date: Thu
Do you have any documentation on this. The UL and government standard
is 10 mA for leakage current which is far more than a few microamps.
Blood electrification and zappers both operate at around this current.
And the blood electrification fall in the range of the most sensitive
frequency for this
Wayne Fugitt wrote:
> Very soon I will be applying high voltage to the spider bite, something I
> should have done two weeks ago.
It is my understanding that the electricity somehow neutralizes the poison in
the
bite. I doubt there is any poison left after two weeks, so don't be surprised if
it
Hi, Wayne!
Good to read everything is OK.
Microamperes have electrocuted
patients in hospitals through
breaks in the skin opening electrical
pathways to the blood and
through the thorax. It is
definitely not a trifling risk.
Matthew
Evening Matthew,
There are better ways to make contact than clipping directly to
your skin. If I were doing it to myself, I would clip it to a small
piece of sponge saturated with salt water and press the sponge
against my skin with a rubber-gloved
I thought so too.
Now after feeling t
Evening Jack,
Well, why not round-off the points?
That was my urge also. But I did not make any modifications. It bites the
skin firmly.
Just finished the first treatment of 5 hits, one in the center and one each
at 12, 3, 6, and 9 oclock.
Believe me, no one wants a spider bite for man
Beware of breaks in the skin
and two-handed manuevers.
Even tiny currents through the
thorax can and do cause
ventricular fibrulation.
Wayne Fugitt 12/18/03 3:51 PM Wrote:
> This is something I have never done. I think I can stand the pain ok.
>
> Clipping the skin with that mean claw clip scares me worse than the high
> voltage.
Well, why not round-off the points?
Jack
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Oh for goodness sake...
Slip it under a velcro strap or a belt or garter.
No need to get anyone else involved.
Chuck
You know sometimes I get the sudden urge to run around naked.
But then I just drink some Windex.
It keeps me from stre
If there is enough time, have the
assistant wear several rubber
gloves of increasing size.
The assistant should stand,
not sit, and be wearing rubber
boots. The assistant should also
be prepared to feel a powerful
shock.
AND, it is better if the rubber-gloved
hand is not yours. Let an assistant
press the sponge, with the assistant's
other hand behind his or her back.
There are better ways to make
contact than clipping directly to
your skin. If I were doing it to
myself, I would clip it to a small
piece of sponge saturated with
salt water and press the sponge
against my skin with a rubber-gloved
hand.
Very soon I will be applying high voltage to the spider bite, something I
should have done two weeks ago.
Thanks to a loving list member, Margie, for sending me the stun gun.
The alligator clip for attaching to the opposite side of the leg is in fact
a "Claw Type" about 7/16 inches wide with 4
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