RE: CS> Home brewing problems

2004-06-25 Thread Ode Coyote
Sounds about right. With no deposits to speak of, Faraday is probably fairly close. Most people can perceive a metallic flavor 5 PPM ionic and up but not generally 4 PPM and under. ode At 03:12 PM 6/24/2004 +0100, you wrote: >> ### 200 microamps is 2 milliamps, right? > > >No, I meant 0.2ma. I

RE: CS> Home brewing problems

2004-06-24 Thread Dave Lewis
> ### 200 microamps is 2 milliamps, right? No, I meant 0.2ma. I think this water is quite pure. Here were the results of another (more documented) test. 200ml of de-ionised water. 2, 99. silver electrodes - 1.6mm dia and 45mm into the water. PSU voltage at the terminals was 37.0V Initial

Re: CS> Home brewing problems

2004-06-24 Thread Ode Coyote
Using Faradays equations doesn't account for silver oxide formation, fallout and plateout. [ie waste] It will tell you how much silver got off an electrode, but doesn't say where it went. Electrode deposits are an extreme variable. [Just guessing from eyeball observations..10% to 60% ??] If yo

Re: CS> Home brewing problems

2004-06-24 Thread Paul Holloway
I think 200 microamps is 0.2 milliamps (micro=millionths milli=thousandths), 2 milliamps would be 2000 microamps. Paul H - Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" To: Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:02 PM Subject: RE: CS> Home brewing problems > > ### 200 micro

RE: CS> Home brewing problems

2004-06-24 Thread Ode Coyote
### 200 microamps is 2 milliamps, right? Some people stop at 20 milliamps..I prefer to keep the current down to 1 millamp per square inch of exposed electrode and stop at some voltage. [At the very least, a graph made that way levels off so you can read it and predict something with reaonable ac

Re: CS> Home brewing problems

2004-06-23 Thread somerbus
> Is there any way of finding the PPM with the starting and ending current? (a > formula) > Try Herx13's spreadsheet for just this purpose: http://www.silvermedicine.org/faradaycalculator.html Yours Kay Kay Jennings Bristol England mailto:somer...@tinyworld.co.uk -- The Silver List is a moder

RE: CS> Home brewing problems

2004-06-23 Thread Dave Lewis
Thanks guys, I have a better setup now. I have managed to get some de-ionised water from RS. Farnell do something similar. http://rswww.com/cgi-bin/bv/browse/Module.jsp?BV_SessionID=2141964067.10 88006431&BV_EngineID=cccdadclkkdgjjdcfngcfkmdgkldffl.0&cacheID=ukie&3265 459255=3265459255&st

Re: CS> Home brewing problems

2004-06-23 Thread Ode Coyote
Table top distillers can work. Use a carbon prefilter initially to scrub out most volatiles. Remove post filters. Discard the first cup or so of water coming out. Distill it twice if neccessary. Keep the distiller very clean. Don't fill the distiller all the way full. Run it slow to prevent

Re: CS> Home brewing problems

2004-06-23 Thread Ode Coyote
That probably has more to do with electrode spacing and over 300 volts. Water 'could be' bad too. Ode > >Dave, > >Instant high conductivity indicates that the water is not adequately >distilled (assuming you have not added salt or other contaminants). As a >test, try a batch using Walgreen'

Re: CS> Home brewing problems

2004-06-23 Thread Ode Coyote
Dirty grey [will probably turn black in a day or so]Too much current for the surface area of electrodes. If it's yellow, still somewhat too much current, heat and or made it too strong for the setup. Most LEDs will burn out at over 20 milliamps. Put a potentiometer and ammeter in series w

RE: CS> Home brewing problems

2004-06-22 Thread Tony Moody
Hallo Dave, to lower the current: You could try placing the electrodes further apart. 50 or 60mm You could use a lower voltage. Like 9v from a battery. Or less. You could try to purchase distilled water BP or CP from a Chemist or from university physics or chemistry laboratory. I'll send you de

RE: CS> Home brewing problems

2004-06-22 Thread S Nowell
Hi Dave, you might have several problems here, first try some de-ionised water, if you get the same results try seperating your electrodes 3-4 inchs apart. The HP printer power supply is alittle high in voltage probably high in amps also ( i think those power supplies run about 2 amps) look to see

RE: CS> Home brewing problems

2004-06-22 Thread Garnet
I am not sure if this is economically feasible but have you considered ordering a counter top distiller from www.wholesalewaterdistillers.com They are $99. I use it on my well water which has a hardness of 42. I use an SG6 and it does not light up initially, indicating no conductance. Garnet On

Re: CS> Home brewing problems

2004-06-22 Thread Paul Holloway
, Paul H - Original Message - From: "Dave Lewis" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 2:29 PM Subject: RE: CS> Home brewing problems > Marv wrote: > > Instant high conductivity indicates that the water is not adequately > distilled (assuming you have not added s

Re: CS> Home brewing problems

2004-06-22 Thread Wayne Fugitt
When it is switched on, the LED comes on immediately and is quite bright. That is exactly how I use my generator to reject the distilled water. I have an EC meter but use if for nutrient solutions and seldom use it to check water. Try distilling the water again, called "Double Dis

Re: CS> Home brewing problems

2004-06-22 Thread Marshall Dudley
Sounds like 2 problems. First the water is not pure enough, distilled or not. The LED should not come on as soon as you apply power. Second you need to be current limiting. Marshall Dave Lewis wrote: > Hi, > I have had a go at making the CS by distilling my own water and making a DC > CS generat

Re: CS> Home brewing problems

2004-06-22 Thread somerbus
> I live in the UK. Does anyone know where to buy off the shelf distilled > water for drinking? It's not that common here. That's why I tried making > my own ;> As I expect you've found out, it's almost impossible to get distilled water. I use de-ionised water bought from a chemist shop, about

RE: CS> Home brewing problems

2004-06-22 Thread Dave Lewis
Marv wrote: Instant high conductivity indicates that the water is not adequately distilled (assuming you have not added salt or other contaminants). As a test, try a batch using Walgreen's Distilled Water with nothing added. Best regards, :) Marv End quote: I live in the UK. Does anyone kn

CS> Home brewing problems

2004-06-22 Thread Marvin Hacker
Dave Lewis wrote: Hi, I have had a go at making the CS by distilling my own water and making a DC CS generator. . . . . . When it is switched on, the LED comes on immediately and is quite bright. The bubbles start after about 1 second and a grey cloud comes off the other terminal. It makes th

CS> Home brewing problems

2004-06-22 Thread Dave Lewis
Hi, I have had a go at making the CS by distilling my own water and making a DC CS generator. The water is in an enclosed container with a hole in the top and placed on a cooker. A tube comes from the top into a cold flask, where the water then condensates. This water is used for the CS. The ge