Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-09 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2017-03-09 19:00, Paul Koning wrote: On Mar 9, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Timothe Litt wrote: .. With respect to an earlier question about CI emulation: The best approach may be to emulate it as multicast ethernet. Setup a couple of groups for each star coupler. Each coupler supports up to 32

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-09 Thread Paul Koning
> On Mar 9, 2017, at 1:23 PM, Timothe Litt wrote: > > I don't have time to dig up the details. But TOPS-10/20 definitely supported > the CI. Interesting. That sounds like a product-specific item rather than part of the standard architecture. paul

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-09 Thread Timothe Litt
I don't have time to dig up the details. But TOPS-10/20 definitely supported the CI. It turned out not to be used much since IIRC despite the high wire speed, thruput was better on the NI. But the rationale was something like if you had CI connectivity for storage, and an NI (ethernet) issue, yo

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-09 Thread Johnny Eriksson
> I don't think DECnet ever supported CI. It certainly doesn't show > up in the DECnet architecture specs anywhere. From the tops world, DNADLL.MAC, common to tops-10 and tops-20: IFN FTOPS10,< FTCI==0 ;Don't support CI20 circuits FTDDP==FTNET;Su

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-09 Thread Paul Koning
> On Mar 9, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Timothe Litt wrote: > > .. > With respect to an earlier question about CI emulation: The best approach > may be to emulate it as multicast ethernet. Setup a couple of groups for > each star coupler. Each coupler supports up to 32 nodes. For VMS, half o > the

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-09 Thread Timothe Litt
simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Rich Alderson > Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 2:37 PM > To: simh@trailing-edge.com > Subject: Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware > >> Unless I remember totally wrong, only the HSC50 could do 576 byte sectors. >> It was dro

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-09 Thread Tim Stark
2:37 PM To: simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware > Unless I remember totally wrong, only the HSC50 could do 576 byte sectors. > It was dropped in a pretty early version of CRONIC, before support for > any other HSC controller existed. Correct.

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-08 Thread Bailey, Scott
>Yes. Although there are some slight differences between ethernet and CI, >but from a practical point of view, for cluster networking, ethernet >works just as well. "Practical" has very little to do with my interest in this subject, LOL, but I have a definite fondness for the old "classic" VAXclu

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-07 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2017-03-07 02:42, Phil Budne wrote: I know I'm being a spoil-sport, and I don't deny it would be fun to create a "star coupler" network server, but. Wouldn't it be possible (if less fun) to have the simulator interpret the contents of the CI packets (which might just contain MSCP)? I ac

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-07 Thread Johnny Billquist
g-edge.com Subject: Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware On 2017-03-06 15:03, Timothe Litt wrote: There were also HSC40 & hsc60. Right. Pretty similar to all the others. The differences (as far as I can remember) were mostly on the number of SDI/STI ports available, and the amount o

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-07 Thread Johnny Billquist
6, 2017 6:43 PM To: simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware On 2017-03-06 14:39, Tim Stark wrote: I reviewed HSC50/70 tech docs. Yeah. They are PDP-11 machines. HSC50 uses TU58 and is F11 processor. HSC70 uses floppy drive and is J11 processor. They uses SD

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-07 Thread khandy21yo
Nows your chance to make it happen!  Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A Original message From: Rich Alderson Date: 3/7/17 12:37 PM (GMT-07:00) To: simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware > From: Johnny Billquist > Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 00

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-07 Thread Rich Alderson
> From: Johnny Billquist > Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 00:47:08 +0100 > On 2017-03-06 15:03, Timothe Litt wrote: >> At some point, support for 18-bit disks (576 byte sectors) was dropped. The >> HSC50 definitely had it; the HSC90 did not. I'm unsure about the HSC70. > Unless I remember totally wron

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-06 Thread Tim Stark
, 2017 8:43 PM To: simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware I know I'm being a spoil-sport, and I don't deny it would be fun to create a "star coupler" network server, but. Wouldn't it be possible (if less fun) to have the simulator i

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-06 Thread Phil Budne
I know I'm being a spoil-sport, and I don't deny it would be fun to create a "star coupler" network server, but. Wouldn't it be possible (if less fun) to have the simulator interpret the contents of the CI packets (which might just contain MSCP)? Isn't clustering over Ethernet available under

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-06 Thread Tim Stark
@trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware On 2017-03-06 15:03, Timothe Litt wrote: > There were also HSC40 & hsc60. Right. Pretty similar to all the others. The differences (as far as I can remember) were mostly on the number of SDI/STI ports available, and the amo

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-06 Thread Tim Stark
Subject: Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware On 2017-03-06 14:39, Tim Stark wrote: > I reviewed HSC50/70 tech docs. Yeah. They are PDP-11 machines. HSC50 uses > TU58 and is F11 processor. HSC70 uses floppy drive and is J11 processor. > > They uses SDI and STI devices thro

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-06 Thread Johnny Billquist
33 AM To: Johnny Billquist ; simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware Den 2017-03-06 kl. 11:27, skrev Johnny Billquist: On 2017-03-06 09:51, Anders Magnusson wrote: Den 2017-03-05 kl. 14:06, skrev Tim Stark: Folks, I discovered CI750 tech docs when I searched fo

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-06 Thread Johnny Billquist
Magnusson Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 7:33 AM To: Johnny Billquist ; simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware Den 2017-03-06 kl. 11:27, skrev Johnny Billquist: On 2017-03-06 09:51, Anders Magnusson wrote: Den 2017-03-05 kl. 14:06, skrev Tim Stark: Folks, I

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-06 Thread Timothe Litt
. > > Thanks, > Tim > > -Original Message- > From: Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Anders > Magnusson > Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 7:33 AM > To: Johnny Billquist ; simh@trailing-edge.com > Subject: Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-06 Thread Tim Stark
loading software. I have not find HSC90 tech docs yet. Thanks, Tim -Original Message- From: Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Anders Magnusson Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 7:33 AM To: Johnny Billquist ; simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-06 Thread Anders Magnusson
Den 2017-03-06 kl. 11:27, skrev Johnny Billquist: On 2017-03-06 09:51, Anders Magnusson wrote: Den 2017-03-05 kl. 14:06, skrev Tim Stark: Folks, I discovered CI750 tech docs when I searched for some CPU processors for VAX emulation. I downloaded and reviewed it. CI emulation can be impleme

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-06 Thread Tim Stark
Folks, I googled and found some ROM dumps. I found out that SIMH repo already have original firmware (KA620, KA630, and KA655). It do not have original KA610 fw file yet. Also, I found KA640 and KA650 fw files and downloaded both. I can't find KA660 to KA690 yet (for VAX 4000 series). I have

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-06 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2017-03-06 09:51, Anders Magnusson wrote: Den 2017-03-05 kl. 14:06, skrev Tim Stark: Folks, I discovered CI750 tech docs when I searched for some CPU processors for VAX emulation. I downloaded and reviewed it. CI emulation can be implemented for emulator to link to other VAX/Alpha emulat

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-06 Thread Anders Magnusson
Den 2017-03-05 kl. 14:06, skrev Tim Stark: Folks, I discovered CI750 tech docs when I searched for some CPU processors for VAX emulation. I downloaded and reviewed it. CI emulation can be implemented for emulator to link to other VAX/Alpha emulators as VMScluster. Does anyone find CI780 emu

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-06 Thread Mark Pizzolato
On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 5:07 AM, Tim Stark wrote: > I discovered CI750 tech docs when I searched for some CPU processors > for VAX emulation. I downloaded and reviewed it.  CI emulation can > be implemented for emulator to link to other VAX/Alpha emulators > as VMScluster. Does anyone find C

[Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-05 Thread Tim Stark
Folks, I discovered CI750 tech docs when I searched for some CPU processors for VAX emulation. I downloaded and reviewed it. CI emulation can be implemented for emulator to link to other VAX/Alpha emulators as VMScluster. Does anyone find CI780 emulation for VAX-11/780 and VAX 86x0 yet? Also