Re: Bright Green Tomorrow [WAS Re: [singularity] QUESTION]

2007-10-27 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matt Mahoney wrote: > > Suppose that the collective memories of all the humans make up only one > > billionth of your total memory, like one second of memory out of your > human > > lifetime. Would it make much difference if it was erased to make

Re: [singularity] Pernar's supergoal

2007-10-27 Thread Stefan Pernar
Thanks Ben. As foundation of my AI friendliness theory I tried to figure out why we believe what good or bad is and came to the conclusion that humans, animals and even plants have evolved to perceive as good what is encoded into their genome/memome having been retained in the course of chance mut

[singularity] Novamente CTO Cassio Pennachin announces the Singularity is due in 2 months

2007-10-27 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
A little light humor courtesy of Zebulon Goertzel, age 14 ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXZw0hwIQWY ;-) ben - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=4007604&id_secret=582965

Re: [singularity] Re: CEV

2007-10-27 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
> > > In other words: if we ever get to a point where the model advocated by > Stefan Pernar could be implemented, we are at a point where > implementing CEV is also possible! This is not necessarily true ... IMO this statement evolves an excessive confidence regarding the relative capabilities

[singularity] Re: CEV

2007-10-27 Thread Aleksei Riikonen
On 10/27/07, Samantha Atkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Oct 27, 2007, at 1:55 AM, Aleksei Riikonen wrote: > >> You seem to have a need to personally give a final answer to "What >> is 'good'?" -- an answer to what moral rules the universe should be >> governed by. If you think that your answe

[singularity] Pernar's supergoal

2007-10-27 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
To move the chat in a different direction, here is Stephan Pernar's articulates self-improving AGI supergoal, drawn from his paper "Benevolence-- A Materialist Philosophy of Goodness", which is linked to from http://www.jame5.com/ Definitions: Suffering = negative subjective experience equiva

Re: [singularity] Re: CEV

2007-10-27 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
Samantha, I tend to agree with you that CEV is not a currently directly useful train of thought... But there is the possibility that -- like many other not-necessarily-realistic thought experiments -- it stimulates thinking in different directions that a stricter adherence-to-realism might now.

Re: [singularity] Re: CEV

2007-10-27 Thread Samantha  Atkins
On Oct 27, 2007, at 1:55 AM, Aleksei Riikonen wrote: On 10/27/07, Stefan Pernar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 10/27/07, Aleksei Riikonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You seem to have a need to personally give a final answer to "What is 'good'?" -- an answer to what moral rules the universe s

[singularity] Re: CEV

2007-10-27 Thread Aleksei Riikonen
On 10/27/07, Stefan Pernar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/27/07, Aleksei Riikonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> You seem to have a need to personally give a final answer to "What is >> 'good'?" -- an answer to what moral rules the universe should be >> governed by. If you think that your answ

Re: [singularity] Re: CEV

2007-10-27 Thread Stefan Pernar
On 10/27/07, Aleksei Riikonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You seem to have a need to personally give a final answer to "What is > 'good'?" -- an answer to what moral rules the universe should be > governed by. If you think that your answer is better than what the > "surveying" process that CEV i