Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-07-04 Thread Randall Randall
r even "truth"; I would define it as the permanent destruction of a large portion of the information that makes up a sentient being's mind. Randall Randall: I would say that 'life' is a process, and that the cessation of the process is death. Yes. I don't happen to agr

Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-07-04 Thread Randall Randall
On Jul 4, 2007, at 5:47 PM, Tom McCabe wrote: --- Randall Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jul 4, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Tom McCabe wrote: So, we die whenever we're put under anesthesia? No, I don't think so. But I thought you just defined death as "the cessation o

Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-07-04 Thread Randall Randall
On Jul 4, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Tom McCabe wrote: --- Randall Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jul 4, 2007, at 1:14 AM, Tom McCabe wrote: That definition isn't accurate, because it doesn't match what we intuitively see as 'death'. 'Death' is actuall

Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-07-04 Thread Randall Randall
vity in the brain. The information that describes a person's mind is a description of the person, not the person. Put that way, it sounds tautological... -- Randall Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Is it asking too much to be given time [...] I'll watch the stars go out." -- Dubst

Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-06-29 Thread Randall Randall
On Jun 29, 2007, at 6:54 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: --- Randall Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jun 28, 2007, at 7:51 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: --- Stathis Papaioannou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How does this answer questions like, if I am destructively teleported to t

Re: Magickal consciousness stuff was Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-06-28 Thread Randall Randall
On Jun 28, 2007, at 11:26 PM, Tom McCabe wrote: --- Randall Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: and What should a person before a copying experiment expect to remember, after the experiment? That is, what should he anticipate? Waking up as a copy, as this will be true for all the

Re: Magickal consciousness stuff was Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-06-28 Thread Randall Randall
On Jun 28, 2007, at 9:08 PM, Tom McCabe wrote: --- Randall Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jun 28, 2007, at 7:35 PM, Tom McCabe wrote: You're assuming again that consciousness is conserved. I have no idea why you think so. I would say that I think that each copy is consci

Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-06-28 Thread Randall Randall
x27;s what we're really interested in. -- Randall Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "This is a fascinating question, right up there with whether rocks fall because of gravity or being dropped, and whether 3+5=5+3 because addition is commutative or because they both equal 8."

Magickal consciousness stuff was Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-06-28 Thread Randall Randall
the A box. If 1024, then your "magickal consciousness stuff" is real, and I've got no clue. I strongly doubt he'll remember all 1024 awakenings. -- Randall Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "If we have matter duplicators, will each of us be a sovereign and possess a hydroge

Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-06-28 Thread Randall Randall
On Jun 28, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Tom McCabe wrote: --- Randall Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jun 28, 2007, at 5:18 PM, Tom McCabe wrote: How do you get the "50% chance"? There is a 100% chance of a mind waking up who has been uploaded, and also a 100% chance of a mi

Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-06-28 Thread Randall Randall
ould expect to wake up simultaneously experiencing both outcomes at the same time. I would expect that even those who are pattern identity adherents will agree that each copy will experience only his or her own existence. -- Randall Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Someone needs to in

Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-06-28 Thread Randall Randall
erience both at once, there's a 50% chance. Someone on the outside could well insist that the original person is experiencing both at once (and many people do insist that that will be the case), but you won't be able to find a person to talk to who is experiencing both at once at any given

Re: [singularity] Re: Personal attacks

2007-05-29 Thread Randall Randall
experience for "uncontrollable... rage", you've led a very sheltered life to date. :) -- Randall Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "You don't help someone by looking at their list of options and eliminating the one they chose!" -- David Henderson - This list i

Re: [singularity] Convincing non-techie skeptics that the Singularity isn't total bunk

2006-09-26 Thread Randall Randall
ularity is really difficult to explain to people, though, and we already have a close analogue to this: software. -- Randall Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "This is a fascinating question, right up there with whether rocks fall because of gravity or being dropped, and whether 3+5=5+