Re: [singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy

2006-09-30 Thread Bruce LaDuke
ds, Bruce LaDuke Managing Director Instant Innovation, LLC Indianapolis, IN [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hyperadvance.com Original Message Follows From: Josh Treadwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: singularity@v2.listbox.com To: singularity@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [singularity] R

Re: [singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy

2006-09-28 Thread Bruce LaDuke
PROTECTED] http://www.hyperadvance.com Original Message Follows From: "Nathan Barna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: singularity@v2.listbox.com To: singularity@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:52

Re: [singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy

2006-09-28 Thread Josh Treadwell
Great book.  Diaspora and Permutation City were my favorite Egan books.  Anyhow, Bruce, I have to slightly disagree.  What is intentionality, other than a constantly changing multiple-input "meme cloud" that is affecting your decisions at any moment?  Human embryos all start out as non-intentio

Re: [singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy

2006-09-28 Thread Nathan Barna
Bruce, Thank you for clarifying further. If you ever have the opportunity, I think you'd be deeply interested particularly in the second chapter, "Truth Mining," in the science-fiction novel /Diaspora/ by Greg Egan. Since your ideas seem similarly attracted, perhaps you've already read it. Indeed

Re: [singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy

2006-09-27 Thread Bruce LaDuke
to *originate* human intentionality. Kind Regards, Bruce LaDuke Managing Director Instant Innovation, LLC Indianapolis, IN [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hyperadvance.com Original Message Follows From: "Nathan Barna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: singularity@v2.listbox.com

Re: [singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy

2006-09-26 Thread Nathan Barna
Bruce, I do, however, believe there is some overlap among these knowledge workers, viz., some of their background knowledge. So I would take it you mean that they're optimized in terms of niche, each worker having something unique and valuable to offer at precisely the right moments, without a si

Re: [singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy

2006-09-26 Thread Bruce LaDuke
://www.hyperadvance.com Original Message Follows From: "Nathan Barna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: singularity@v2.listbox.com To: singularity@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:38:35 -0500 Hi Bruc

Re: [singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy

2006-09-26 Thread Nathan Barna
Hi Bruce, I've just been thinking about this idea of 'variable scope of system-centricity'. Your model probably indicates that there are too many islands of redundant data. If we can somehow model sociologic/economic interactions better we could try to create inter-organizational systems that ac

Re: [singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy

2006-09-26 Thread Bruce LaDuke
w.hyperadvance.com Original Message Follows From: "Nathan Barna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: singularity@v2.listbox.com To: singularity@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:21:26 -0500 Bruce LaDuke wrote: I

Re: [singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy

2006-09-25 Thread Bruce LaDuke
s. Kind Regards, Bruce LaDuke Managing Director Instant Innovation, LLC Indianapolis, IN [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hyperadvance.com Original Message Follows From: "Nathan Barna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: singularity@v2.listbox.com To: singularity@v2.listbox.com Subjec

Re: [singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy

2006-09-24 Thread Nathan Barna
Bruce LaDuke wrote: In other words, a full understanding of questions and knowleddge creation is the step required to realize 'artificial knowledge creation,' which is singularity. Within the construct of these interactions, 'artificial intelligence' already exists as knowledge stored and recall

Re: [singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy

2006-09-23 Thread Bruce LaDuke
rtificially. Kind Regards, Bruce LaDuke Managing Director Instant Innovation, LLC Indianapolis, IN [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hyperadvance.com Original Message Follows From: "Nathan Barna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: singularity@v2.listbox.com To: singularity@v2

Re: [singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy

2006-09-22 Thread Nathan Barna
Samantha Atkins wrote: Of course I got that. It was the "infinitely self-sufficient environment of infinite layers of infinite media" stuff that wasn't doing it for me. That would be neither my problem nor yours. - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe

Re: [singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy

2006-09-22 Thread Samantha Atkins
Of course I got that. It was the "infinitely self-sufficient environment of infinite layers of infinite media" stuff that wasn't doing it for me. - samantha On Sep 22, 2006, at 2:08 PM, Michael Anissimov wrote: On 9/22/06, Samantha Atkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This does not parse. Pl

Re: [singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy

2006-09-22 Thread Michael Anissimov
Also relevant to this thread: http://www.singinst.org/CFAI/info/glossary.html#gloss_mirror -- Michael Anissimov Lifeboat Foundation http://lifeboat.com http://acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your

Re: [singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy

2006-09-22 Thread Michael Anissimov
On 9/22/06, Samantha Atkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This does not parse. Please rephrase. I think that Nathan is saying that we can learn how to better manipulate ourselves and others through the application of cognitive psychology, rather than just passively observing human nature, which i

Re: [singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy

2006-09-22 Thread Samantha Atkins
This does not parse. Please rephrase. - s On Sep 19, 2006, at 5:57 PM, Nathan Barna wrote: Update to first description: The ultimate aim of applied cognitive psychology is for one to be an infinitely self-sufficient environment of infinite layers of infinite media where from any non-empty se

Re: [singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy

2006-09-20 Thread Nathan Barna
Matt Mahoney wrote: I thought the goal of cognitive psychology was to understand behavior. Yes, and there's more to its application. Understanding behavior, and nothing else, is predominantly a mind-to-world direction of fit. Using that understanding, and thence fully exploiting cognitive psych

Re: [singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy

2006-09-20 Thread Matt Mahoney
I thought the goal of cognitive psychology was to understand behavior. -- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message From: Nathan Barna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: singularity@v2.listbox.com Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:57:25 PM Subject: [singularity] Re: Intuitive lim

[singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy

2006-09-19 Thread Nathan Barna
Update to second description: *. . . infinite /distinctive/ layers . . . (Sorry folks, that should do it for a while now until I'm schooled.) - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAI

[singularity] Re: Intuitive limits of applied CogPsy

2006-09-19 Thread Nathan Barna
Update to first description: The ultimate aim of applied cognitive psychology is for one to be an infinitely self-sufficient environment of infinite layers of infinite media where from any non-empty set of media information can be decoded from any other non-empty set of media including its own se