> From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> --- "John G. Rose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > The simulations can't loop because the simulator needs at least as
> much
> > > memory
> > > as the machine being simulated.
> > >
> >
> > Yo
--- Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Of course what I imagine emerging from the Internet bears little
> resemblance
> > to Novamente. It is simply too big to invest in directly, but it will
> present
> > many opportunities.
>
> But the emergence of superhuman AGI's like a Novament
--- Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How do you resolve disagreements?
This is a problem for all large databases and multiuser AI systems. In my
design, messages are identified by source (not necessarily a person) and a
timestamp. The network economy rewards those sources that provide
--- "John G. Rose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > The simulations can't loop because the simulator needs at least as much
> > memory
> > as the machine being simulated.
> >
>
> You're making assumptions when you say that. Outside of a particular
> From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> --- "John G. Rose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > There is no way to know if we are living in a nested simulation, or
> even
> > > in a
> > > single simulation. However there is a mathematical model: enumerate
> all
> > > Turing mac
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Subject: Re: Promoting AGI (RE: [singularity] Vista/AGI)
If I understand what I have read in this thread so far, there is Ben on the
one hand suggesting $10 mil. with 10-30 people in 3 to 10 years and on the
Matt: Which are these areas of science, technology, arts, or indeed any area
of
human activity, period, where the experts all agree and are NOT in deep
conflict?
MT:And if that's too hard a question, which are the areas of AI or AGI,
where
the experts all agree and are not in deep conflict?
Sure, but Matt is also suggesting that his path is the most viable and so from
the point of view of an investor, he/she is faced with very divergent opinions
on the type of resources needed to get to the AGI expeditiously. It's far
easier to understand wide price swings in a spaceship to get fr
> Of course what I imagine emerging from the Internet bears little resemblance
> to Novamente. It is simply too big to invest in directly, but it will
> present
> many opportunities.
But the emergence of superhuman AGI's like a Novamente may eventually become,
will both dramatically alter the
--- "Eric B. Ramsay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If I understand what I have read in this thread so far, there is Ben on the
> one hand suggesting $10 mil. with 10-30 people in 3 to 10 years and on the
> other there is Matt saying $1quadrillion, using a billion brains in 30
> years. I don't beli
Well, Matt and I are talking about building totally different kinds of
systems...
I believe the system he wants to build would cost a huge amount ...
but I don't think
it's the most interesting sorta thing to build ...
A decent analogue would be spaceships. All sorts of designs exist, some order
If I understand what I have read in this thread so far, there is Ben on the one
hand suggesting $10 mil. with 10-30 people in 3 to 10 years and on the other
there is Matt saying $1quadrillion, using a billion brains in 30 years. I don't
believe I have ever seen such a divergence of opinion befor
--- Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matt : a super-google will answer these questions by routing them to
> experts on these topics that will use natural language in their narrow
> domains of expertise.
>
> And Santa will answer every child's request, and we'll all live happily ever
> a
--- "John G. Rose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > There is no way to know if we are living in a nested simulation, or even
> > in a
> > single simulation. However there is a mathematical model: enumerate all
> > Turing machines to find one that simulates a universe with intelligent
> > life
Mike Tintner wrote:
Matt : a super-google will answer these questions by routing them to
experts on these topics that will use natural language in their narrow
domains of expertise.
And Santa will answer every child's request, and we'll all live happily
ever after. Amen.
You know, for once I
Matt : a super-google will answer these questions by routing them to
experts on these topics that will use natural language in their narrow
domains of expertise.
Another interesting question here is: on how many occasions are the majority
of experts in any given field, wrong? I don't begin to kn
Matt : a super-google will answer these questions by routing them to
experts on these topics that will use natural language in their narrow
domains of expertise.
And Santa will answer every child's request, and we'll all live happily ever
after. Amen.
Which are these areas of science, technol
>
> There is no way to know if we are living in a nested simulation, or even
> in a
> single simulation. However there is a mathematical model: enumerate all
> Turing machines to find one that simulates a universe with intelligent
> life.
>
What if that nest of simulations loop around somehow?
Matt Mahoney writes:> > Super-google is nifty, but I don't see how it is AGI.>
> Because a super-google will answer these questions by routing them to>
experts on these topics that will use natural language in their narrow> domains
of expertise. All of this can be done with existing technology>
--- "John G. Rose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > You won't see a singularity. As I explain in
> > http://www.mattmahoney.net/singularity.html an intelligent agent (you)
> > is not capable of recognizing agents of significantly greater
> > in
--- Derek Zahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matt Mahoney writes:> As for AGI research, I believe the most viable
> path is a distributed> architecture that uses the billions of human
> brains and computers> already on the Internet. What is needed is an
> infrastructure that> routes information to
> From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> You won't see a singularity. As I explain in
> http://www.mattmahoney.net/singularity.html an intelligent agent (you)
> is not capable of recognizing agents of significantly greater
> intelligence. We don't know whether a singularity has already
Matt Mahoney writes:> As for AGI research, I believe the most viable path is a
distributed> architecture that uses the billions of human brains and computers>
already on the Internet. What is needed is an infrastructure that> routes
information to the right experts and an economy that rewards> i
--- "Eric B. Ramsay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "John G. Rose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >If you look at the state of internet based intelligence now, all the
> data
> >and its structure, the potential for chain reaction or a sort of
> structural
> >vacuum exists and it is accumulating
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